I have only seen national DSA leadership oppose the idea or turn it into a personality contest with Jimmy Dore.

How is that democratic at all?! They are openly contradicting the democratically-decided party line…

What an absolutely shit organization.

Here's the quote:

2019 presents a unique opportunity for the Democratic Socialists for Medicare for All campaign: to be a key player in pushing HR 1384, the Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act, to a vote in the House of Representatives. DSA is not alone in this work. National Nurses United, along with nearly 30 other national and local unions and progressive organizations are coordinating to take advantage of this moment. Since Bernie Sanders’ presidential run in 2016, single-payer advocates have been successfully turning Medicare for All into a litmus test for politicians. A floor vote in the House will force representatives to finally reveal whether they’re on the side of healthcare profiteers or the side of the working class.

  • PhaseFour [he/him]
    7·
    4 years ago

    No, it really is not.

    This discourse has been exposing a lot of corruption & self-serving behavior in Left-wing organizations.

    It's very similar to the Bernie campaign. Anyone with a brain understand this isn't a revolution, but it's an opportunity to struggle with people.

    • vorenza [any]
      7·
      4 years ago

      Let me provide additional commentary: Forcing the vote is pointless, shitting on people for wanting to force is pointless, thinking that forcing the vote does something is wrong, thinking that forcing the vote would make you lose political capital is wrong. I don't care about either camps, time and energy spent on this is way disproportionate to its importance(including this comment). We're powerless and try to feel control by doing shit like this(trying to force a meaningless but also harmless vote or trying to block it)

      • PhaseFour [he/him]
        1·
        4 years ago

        This seems to be the same criticism that some had with the Bernie campaign. "The Democratic Party will never allow someone with Bernie's politics, so it is pointless to pursue it."

        I disagree with this perspective. Rallying around mass popular issues have been the best tool for building the socialist movement in the US. Socialists should engage in any mass struggle for health care. Forcing the vote for M4A has been the first mass struggle for health care since the Bernie campaign.

        • vorenza [any]
          ·
          4 years ago

          This seems to be the same criticism that some had with the Bernie campaign. “The Democratic Party will never allow someone with Bernie’s politics, so it is pointless to pursue it.”

          Bernie in the primaries gives him a platform that he wouldn't get otherwise where he can advocate for issues.

          This vote does nothing of sort. Representatives don't gain a better platform on the congress floor. M4A advocates(and libs who know it'll fail and will support it to get progressive cred) will talk for it on the senate floor, maybe get a few snippets for ads, and then the vote will fail spectacularly. AOC saying "We need M4A" on twitter has a better reach than that. Vote doesn't have to pass to have a point, but it doesn't accomplish something.

        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
          4·
          4 years ago

          Forcing the vote for M4A has been the first mass struggle for health care since the Bernie campaign.

          I think this is confusing articles by online leftists for a mass struggle. I'm seeing this coming more from some in leftist media and less from people on the ground.

          • PhaseFour [he/him]
            1·
            4 years ago

            I'm in a Slack channel with like, 2,000 people working to carry out the force for a M4A vote.

            The national strategy that has been discussed is continuing this project regardless of the results.

            I'd consider that pretty "on the ground", especially when the progressive political machine surrounding the DSA-affiliates in Congress has generally opposed this tactic.