I fully understand that AOC is not perfect but she's doing a hell of a lot more than the podcast grifters are.

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    Wrong

    It goes till they get a speaker. I think in the 20s they had a house speaker ship take 40+ ballots. Eventually some dem will become speaker and any dem is better than Pelosi.

    They almost lost the house by the gop just running anti Pelosi ads. She is a huge negative.

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      I think in the 20s they had a house speaker ship take 40+ ballots.

      Precedent from the 1920s is worth very little. I see no reason why they wouldn't just nominate Pelosi a few times, get no Speaker, and then sit on their hands and grandstand about how progressives are shutting down the government during a pandemic. Certainly no one is forcing them to keep voting at gunpoint.

      any dem is better than Pelosi

      As the comment above me pointed out, a Speaker who acts as Pelosi does but is 30 years younger and is less of a lightning rod would be worse.

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        First off. The next speaker will not stay as long as Pelosi. The party is in a death spiral mostly due to her poor leadership.

        2nd. That's the rules on how the house operates. The speaker doesn't even have to be a member of the house. But they must have a speaker to operate and they will be under immense donor pressure to figure it out.

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          That’s the rules on how the house operates

          And how much do the rules matter?

          But they must have a speaker to operate and they will be under immense donor pressure to figure it out.

          For all we know donors would be happy with a government shutdown that they could use to kneecap progressives.

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            I mean I'm assuming we still have a functioning government that has been operating the same as it has when Republicans where picking speaker. So I think the rules matter as the empire still stands.

            Speaker ship changes. Republicans have had squabbles over it.

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              "Rules matter" is a scorching hot take in 2021. They don't even have to break any rules in the scenario I outlined -- they can just do a few failed votes and then go to the media about it instead of locking themselves in a room and doing it all over again.