They both suck

  • itsPina [he/him, she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Nomiki sucks and she's prolly the main reason I haven't watched TMR in a month

      • congressbaseballfan [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Tbh, I think they were/are fucking. She’s a spook afterall and not that Sam Seder needed any pushing to drift right after brooks died, but it’s my conspiracy theory lmao

  • TankieDukakis [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    I'm not looking to start some sort of struggle session because I don't really care either way here.

    Why do people call Jimmy Dore a grifter or hate him or whatever?

    I've seen some people on Twitter say since he has money that means he's not suited to lead this little push (which I don't want to rehash either). But that's kinda bullshit to me. I don't think credentials should have anything to do with a movement, nor how much money someone has.

    I dislike him, not because he's angry (although he goes way overboard sometimes), but because he toots his own horn for like half his videos on YouTube, at least of the few I've watched. I swear legit half of the video is about how he's the only one covering stuff.

    But I don't get the hate I guess.

    Should add I have no idea who this other person is lol

    • Rojo27 [he/him]
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      I dislike him, not because he’s angry (although he goes way overboard sometimes), but because he toots his own horn for like half his videos on YouTube, at least of the few I’ve watched. I swear legit half of the video is about how he’s the only one covering stuff.

      This was part of the reason why I stopped watching his videos. Felt like it was getting more and more excessive. I don't hate him though. He's a big reason why I took a hard turn left after the 2016 election after being a dejected radlib in the aftermath of the Obama presidency.

      Oh and Nomiki worked in TYT for a bit, then got fired and has been covering NY politics for a while on her own I think. Don't really follow her all that much so not 100% that's all she does.

      • Darkmatter2k [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        More importantly Nomiki Konst also worked as a contributor on Fox news selling the US / NATO war on libya to the rubes with frankly rabid neocon arguments. Then she decided that the real money was in the progressive grift and started spouting imperialist smears on sam seders shit show.

      • anthm17 [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        She's god a podcast and does MR now.

        Dixon too.

        It's all this stupid beef that Sam has with Dore.

        anyway after hearing him tell the story of getting sick it's kinda gross to call him a grifter.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      4 years ago

      Why do people call Jimmy Dore a grifter or hate him or whatever?

      His delivery style is very jarring, his show involves a not-insignificant number of "please support my podcast" pitches, and he likes Tulsi.

    • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      resonates with so many struggling working class people

      Does it though? Literally the only people talking about this on either side are “internet leftists”

        • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          If he’s the only person reaching workers, that’s something we should take a look at and fix. There’s no point reaching workers if you’re reaching them with uneducated drivel from someone who isn’t even a socialist lol. We need to be reaching workers with the right info, it isn’t an end in of itself.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      Where are all the “leftists” demanding for Medicare for All in the midst of a pandemic crisis?

      Huddled around the corpse of the Sanders campaign screaming "We warned you!" and "You didn't listen!"

      This whole debacle really helped expose many of the so-called Twitter “leftists” as actually reactionaries who really want to preserve the status quo.

      Turns out repeated frustration, humiliation, and failure can make reactionists of us all.

  • hazefoley [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    They both suck but at least Jimmy is a leftist

    • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Like I said, they both suck. I don’t know why people feel the need to stand up for Dore, he isn’t even a socialist, the amount of time he dedicates electoralism is evidence of that. This whole shitfight is about procedural congressional bullshit for gods sake. People treating him like he’s some new socialist messiah is laughable.

      • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        I don’t know why people feel the need to stand up for Dore

        Because the hate he's receiving for using his platform to advance one of the key issues for the left in the US is undeserved.

        #forcethevote is good, it's better than wath some nominal "socialists" are doing and we don't have to make the nuance every time that there's something wrong with his tone or shouting or whatever.

        The real question is why some people feel the need to constantly bring up that a person who's advancing our goals might have character flaws. That's irrelevant, you're never gonna like everyone in your movement. Get over it.

        • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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          I didn’t bring his character into it. I said he’s not a socialist and this whole debate is pointless.

          • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            I didn’t bring his character into it.

            Your initial post was "they both suck", so yes you did.

            And there's a world of difference between training NATO-funded jihadists in Libya and whatever you might throw at Dore.

            this whole debate is pointless.

            No, it isn't. The raison d'être of elected socialists is to use their position to advance the objective interests of the working class. DSA-candidates campaigned like that, AOC acted like that when she was just elected, and it seems that the system is managing to encapsulate them. It's very telling that those people are refusing to use their leverage in one of the few moments that they have it, and it should make us pause and think about how we can prevent our elected representatives from going down that path in the future.

            • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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              I guess I fundamentally disagree with the idea that it makes a difference whether this debate lands one way or the other. A bit of a congressional procedural song and dance doesn’t seem to advance the cause of socialism to me. Maybe I could be convinced by someone who was a principled and well read socialist and knew what they were talking about, but Dore isn’t that person 🤷‍♂️

              • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                A bit of a congressional procedural song and dance doesn’t seem to advance the cause of socialism to me

                Do you think socialists have any business in electoralism, or do you think it should be completely abandoned?

                • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  Electoralism? Perhaps, when strategically useful. American two-party electoral politics specifically? Probably not. Because I don’t think it’s particularly strategically useful. Almost all gains by the American left have historically come outside the party system.