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    • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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      OK the imperial core - so were imperial core tactics propagated by Marxist-Leninist parties correct in the 20th century?

      Well in 1991 we discovered what the US had been doing through NATO. Funding and arming fascists to discredit Communist movements which involves them doing terrorist attacks then blaming them on the Communists to discredit and alienate them.

      In Daniele Gansers, NATOs Secret Armies he documents exactly how effective the tactics of the Communist parties were in Britain, France, Italy, Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxumberg, Denmark, Norway, Germany and Greece.

      In fact were it not for the United States both France and Italy probably would've gone Communist after ww2. The US had to intervene directly to have elected communists removed from power multiple times in France and Italy. The US also intervened publicly via the Marshall Plan to essentially give money to European countries to rebuild and in doing so did in a way to isolate the progressive elements of humanity.

      Daniele Ganser NATOs Secret Armies

      William Blums Killing Hope also has chapters on these CIA interventions which are now coupled with the our knowledge of the fascists the US was supporting and arming

      Having so utterly smashed the Left via these undemocratic and totalitarian methods which involved murdering innocent people to blame on Communists to create a " strategy of tension"

      The US had to do this precisely because of the effectiveness of Marxist-Leninists.

      So even in the imperial core the fascist United States had to resort to arming and funding far right groups that would commit terror attacks all over Europe to retain ideological hegemony. https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio

      And I don't really think you can blame the lack of success in the 21st century on MLs....We only exited the "end of history period" in 2008 at which period the US had absolute ideological supremacy and hegemony.

      US ideology and alliance looks like dogshit to most people outside of US today.

      • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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        JS, this site would be immeasurably improved if it was just your posts in blog format :fidel-salute:

    • PhaseFour [he/him]
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      In the imperial core, tankies have had just as much success as anarkiddies

      The liberation of Italy, France, and Germany during WWII were led by communists. This led to the construction of a proletarian state in Germany, and a struggle between dual power in France and Italy for decades following the war.

      The number of conditions you are adding to obfuscate the objective truths in Marxism-Leninism is really annoying.

      • AdamSandler [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        objective truths

        All forms of leftism have objective truths, like capitalism being bad

        • PhaseFour [he/him]
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          Then analyze the conditions unique to the imperial core, and adapt the tactics & strategy of Marxism-Leninism to these conditions.

          We need to build off proven successes, and reject proven failures.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        The liberation of Italy, France, and Germany during WWII were led by communists. This led to the construction of a proletarian state in Germany, and a struggle between dual power in France and Italy for decades following the war.

        This is right, but I don't think it says anything about the viability of the ML approach for U.S. leftists in 2021. This isn't a useful comparison unless we're holding out hope for China conquering the U.S. -- which itself would mean U.S. MLs (and every U.S. leftist group) failed to create American socialism.