It is a moral outrage that 88% of Democrats and 69% of all voters support Medicare for All, yet Democratic Party leadership in Congress has refused to fight for it, particularly during a pandemic that has resulted in millions losing their jobs and health insurance. When the 2021 legislative session begins in January, House Progressives…
"We should raise taxes on the wealthy" is not a serious plan to pay for M4A. It is useful propaganda. But it is not a plan. Socialists have organized around "we should raise taxes on the wealthy" for decades, and we are no where closer to M4A. Every single major impediment still exists.
You are calling me a Liberal while pretending a bill in Congress is worth the paper it is written on. There is no plan whatsoever to get the bourgeoisie to raise their taxes.
No, I'm calling you a disingenuous lying fuck for saying they haven't thought about how to pay for it.
It's just a right wing lie. That's all it is. You want to argue that it won't happen that's fine, but to say they haven't tried is a complete and total lie.
The question of "how do you get the bourgeoisie to raise their taxes?" is a serious aspect of "how are you going to pay for it?" that no one wants to consider.
A document saying "socialism now!" is not a serious plan for socialism. A document saying "higher taxes on the rich!" is not a serious plan for M4A.
"socialism is when the rich pay taxes" mentality is also lacking in long term vision (both in terms of understanding history and what the motivations are for the current people in power).
This whole FTV thing feels like social democrats being mad that the rate of profit has decayed to the point where it's not going to be viable for the US to buy off the people at home with healthcare by imperializing the world.
The petrodollar is on its way out, the price of oil went negative last year and that doesn't bode well for americans who want to just continue printing money and rely on the constant demand for oil purchases to keep inflation down.
This is not cynicism. I don't know how anyone can be cynical after the show-of-force the proletariat demonstrated last summer.
I am deeply cynical of the Democratic Party. I don't expect concessions until the anger we saw last summer is sharpened into a political weapon. The two tasks for communists is:
Demonstrate national bourgeois institutions are illegitimate.
If you want to continue to lie to the People and yourself - as if you have real plan to win concessions for working people - be my guest. I'm not that arrogant. And I do not want to lie to the People.
We need socialism. The national strategy and tactics need to hashed out by a united communist movement. Until that arises, I will continue to build a base of support in my community.
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Yeah... I can't believe I'm getting called a right-wing lying piece of shit for saying Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden are not passing a tax hike.
Saying "taxes must be raised" is not the same as having a plan to pay for something.
We aren't talking past each other, they are spewing lies.
The taxes are in the bill. The idea that paying for it hasn't been considered is an easily disproven lie. it's a complete fabrication.
So no I'm not talking past anyone I'm explicitly calling another poster a liar for being a liar.
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Why are you willing to give a free pass to someone spewing neoliberal lies?
God, people are so fucking disingenuous here.
"We should raise taxes on the wealthy" is not a serious plan to pay for M4A. It is useful propaganda. But it is not a plan. Socialists have organized around "we should raise taxes on the wealthy" for decades, and we are no where closer to M4A. Every single major impediment still exists.
It's in the fucking bill.
You're just spewing right wing talking points uncritically at this point.
And how is that bill getting passed?
You are calling me a Liberal while pretending a bill in Congress is worth the paper it is written on. There is no plan whatsoever to get the bourgeoisie to raise their taxes.
No, I'm calling you a disingenuous lying fuck for saying they haven't thought about how to pay for it.
It's just a right wing lie. That's all it is. You want to argue that it won't happen that's fine, but to say they haven't tried is a complete and total lie.
The question of "how do you get the bourgeoisie to raise their taxes?" is a serious aspect of "how are you going to pay for it?" that no one wants to consider.
A document saying "socialism now!" is not a serious plan for socialism. A document saying "higher taxes on the rich!" is not a serious plan for M4A.
"socialism is when the rich pay taxes" mentality is also lacking in long term vision (both in terms of understanding history and what the motivations are for the current people in power).
This whole FTV thing feels like social democrats being mad that the rate of profit has decayed to the point where it's not going to be viable for the US to buy off the people at home with healthcare by imperializing the world.
The petrodollar is on its way out, the price of oil went negative last year and that doesn't bode well for americans who want to just continue printing money and rely on the constant demand for oil purchases to keep inflation down.
I think there's an aspect of FTV you are missing. Many want to heighten the contradictions within the Democratic Party to demonstrate its limitations.
I agree with everything else.
That's entirely fair, I think it's a good thing to expose these institutions for how unwilling they are to represent the people that they purport to.
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This is not cynicism. I don't know how anyone can be cynical after the show-of-force the proletariat demonstrated last summer.
I am deeply cynical of the Democratic Party. I don't expect concessions until the anger we saw last summer is sharpened into a political weapon. The two tasks for communists is:
It's shitty cynical bullshit you use to advocate for nothing.
Oh you aren't calling them riots yet? haven't quite started spewing those right wing lies yet?
If you want to continue to lie to the People and yourself - as if you have real plan to win concessions for working people - be my guest. I'm not that arrogant. And I do not want to lie to the People.
We need socialism. The national strategy and tactics need to hashed out by a united communist movement. Until that arises, I will continue to build a base of support in my community.
You aren't building socialism you're just a cynical wrecker.
You are.
Just a cynical asshole who will reject everything and anything as being pie in the sky and insist that we need socialism before we can do anything.
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