• Jerb [none/use name]
    hexagon
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    4 years ago

    Cuz they said some lib shit to justify it, I guess. Why are leftists so fucking blind on this topic

    • kavila [any]
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      4 years ago

      honestly, it's because the leftist internet is full of white kids who have no idea what it's like non-western authoritarian country. they have zero experience with the world at large and so they just default to "anything that is anti-west is good". they have no immunity to the Asian brand of hierarchical authoritarianism and it quickly fills the vacuum left by abandoning lib shit.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        they have no immunity to the Asian brand of hierarchical authoritarianism and it quickly fills the vacuum left by abandoning lib shit.

        Orientalism, in MY leftist community?

        Ahh fuck it, joke's on me for expecting better.

        • kavila [any]
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          4 years ago

          orientalism is when you live in asia your whole life and say something about how it works

          • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            I'm sure being the beneficiary of white imperialism gives you great credentials to talk down to us ignorant yellow folk.

            • Jerb [none/use name]
              hexagon
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              4 years ago

              I think he just said he was one of those yellow folk. So... pretty sure he'd know something about being one of those

              • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                No.

                https://hexbear.net/post/70180/comment/733891

                Also, you don't get to call anyone "those yellow folk".

            • kavila [any]
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              4 years ago

              four days ago you posted "To the neolibs, identity politics is just another arrow in an amoral quiver."

              • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                It's not idpol to point out that the experience of a white person in Asia is not the same as that of an Asian person in Asia. Nor is it idpol to point out that white people in Asia benefit from white supremacy.

                Living in a place for a long time doesn't make you immune from having shit takes, otherwise white people who live in Australia can't possibly have shit takes about Aboriginal peoples, white people in the US can't have shit takes about black people or native Americans, etc, etc.

                • kavila [any]
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                  4 years ago

                  I grew up here, my wife is from here, I speak the language and 99% of the people I interact with are locals

                  like what the fuck do you want from me

                  • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    Maybe arguing the merits of your claims instead of stating your experience like this is a bullshit job interview?

                    Many MAGA chuds also grew up in the US, have spouses from the US, speak English and interact with "locals" 99% of the time. That doesn't stop them from having shitty, racist, takes.

                    You can be who you are and still engage in orientalism.

                    • kavila [any]
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                      4 years ago

                      I don't think it's racist to say that authoritarian rulers in Asia have different psychological tactics than authoritarian rulers in the West

                      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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                        4 years ago

                        A big part of orientalism is rolling diverse Asian cultures into a whole to contrast (negatively) with the West.

                        Asia is home to many diverse political systems that have been labeled as "authoritarian". However, you're implying a nebulous set of common authoritarian tactics and values that are both inherently Asian and have no other commonality except being Asian.

                        The governments of India, the DPRK, China, Japan, and even Singapore have been labeled "authoritarian" by various groups at various times. If you want to draw similarities between the tactics they use, you have to be much more granular in your analysis than just going "well, they're Asian, they do things differently."

        • kavila [any]
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          4 years ago

          white dude in asia since I was a kid

                    • kavila [any]
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                      4 years ago

                      every day in the native language

                        • kavila [any]
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                          4 years ago

                          they killed all the communists several decades ago so there are no leftwing orgs. If there were would be expelled from the country for joining one.

                          this is what I mean. you people just don't understand what it's like outside the imperial core.

      • Jerb [none/use name]
        hexagon
        ·
        4 years ago

        I think this is literallty it, its just blowing my mind that they stan for evil so readily, and deny reality about the camps much like trumper morons have been about Q and the Deep State and the like. And in this case they're literally SUPPORTING lib shit with this bs "we're empowering women by sterilizing them in concentration camps" monstrosity of a tweet

        • kavila [any]
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          4 years ago

          the dumbest thing I've ever seen on this website was some user stanning the murderous, authoritarian Thai king because some nutjob article linked a protester to an NED grant

          I think it's just hard to accept that people in power lie even if they aren't white neoliberals.

        • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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          4 years ago

          Sterilization is not mentioned lmao, the wording is dogshit but they are talking about how when standards of living are raised women can be more than "baby making machines", which is on one hand a really yikesy term to use but one that mainstream media like the BBC has used for places like Iran anyways.

          Actually I should clarify, sterilization is only mentioned in the article to say that forced sterilization had no part of it and that its personal decisions to use contraceptives or surgery to deal with this just like in any country.

          • Jerb [none/use name]
            hexagon
            ·
            4 years ago

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE

            https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china

            https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c

            Educate urself sweaty

            • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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              4 years ago

              Testimonies are not evidence, otherwise you're basically repeating the Iraq war buildup, your second link is not only entirely testimonies again but repeat the recycled falun gong claim of organ harvesting which has never had evidence supporting it, it also links to Radio Free Asia like come the fuck on.

              This is all on the fucking level of the Naziriyah testimony and testimonies like that, they can never just fucking coalesce into objective fact and as of yet there are not objective facts to back up the outlandish fucking claims that mirror perfectly the US strategy for agitating the population and manufacturing consent.