I want to support trans comrades and dunk on transphobic chuds but I CAN'T FIND THEM???
I'm not even asking for proof, I just want you to explain where these people are hurting you because I and many other cis allies on this website DO NOT SEE IT AND THAT IS NOT OUR FAULT
You guys are obviously doing a solid job keeping the site clean lol, but that's coming with the issue of people not seeing the labor you're doing.
Probably skews the perspective a fucking lot compared to us normies that just see the scrubbed up version of this site while you guys are arm deep in reactionary shit.
and the reasons our trans comrades are leaving is because this shit is being targeted at them and they are the ones who get it in their inbox which means they obv see it before we delete it and oftentimes see it up for occasionally hours on end while it sits in the reports tab. i understand exactly what they mean when they say its noticeable.
Yeah yesterday someone made multiple accounts to spam me with transphobic/ableist copypasta shit like 50 times in the replies to my public comments. And I'm not even trans. To the credit of the mod and admin team who have been doing a fantastic job it was removed very quickly and as soon as I reported it. But I can definitely see how it can alienate our trans comrades.
yup. Just because the average user doesn't see it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Just means we are doing our jobs relatively well. Its been surprisingly hard getting people to realize that, even with a completely transparent modlog.
I feel like it should be highlighted, because it's pretty clear to me that many, many users of this site have no idea how bad it is. It seems to me that to a trans comrade, there is constant harassment, like at least a few times a week, from outside users. I think that cis users don't see the modlog, which causes them to view themselves at odds with the mods and most of all, prevent solidarity with our trans comrades. I'm really sad to see so many users go and I know we can do better with this.
Having been here since the first week or so, I'm 100% certain that it's two things: maybe a dozen stupidpol brigaders with a bunch of accounts/sockpuppets and no life, and a bunch of well-meaning but naive people falling hook line and sinker for wrecker shit and so serving to amplify it. Like fuck, it's an objective fact that there's a campaign of (a few pathetic) reactionary dipshits trying to sow discord, so whether one agrees with aggressive policing as a response to that or not the thing to do is fall in line until the reactionaries grow bored and start raiding somewhere else instead.
I want to see proof, this feels just like the labour antisemitism 'scandal' where a tiny minority of people said some dodgy things and it was overinflated and only served to derail and confuse things. And as soon as you tried to dig into it and find examples they were thin on the ground. Yes it was used by the right but it came from inside the party as well. If there are transphobic ppl here they are overwhelmingly in the minority.
The thing is, if this many trans users are leaving, including TC who has been unwavering in their dedication and the time and effort they’ve put into this community, they must have good reasons. What motive is there for TC to put in all that work and then leave the community, if the accusations aren’t accurate?
That's my thinking as well. It doesn't change the fact, though, that it's kind of frustrating to seeing our trans comrades feeling excluded or taken for granted, and there not really being anything I, as a cisgender member of this community who hopes he's not a total douche, can do to help in this struggle, if I don't know where they're coming from or even fighting against.
I think waiting for the entirety of the left to be 100% pure of anything that could be construed as transphobic before moving on and attempting to organise further is a mistake.
Yes, of course call out examples whenever you see them and explain why they are wrong, but vague posts such as this and pretty much all the others I've seen don't seem to serve any purpose than create unecessary drama imo.
Improving economic conditions and access to health care and therapy/support will help all trans people more than anything else and that is the goal of all anticapitalists here.
I just saw one with that whole reproduction outside of sex is bourgeois post that seems to have been removed. Quite a few responded to it. That's not just undiatmat and unhistorical, its offensive to trans comrades, the rest of the lgbt+ community, the impotent and post menopausal women to name a few. There's also a sense of even with pronouns of that reddit-dudebro, 'everyone on the internet is just some able cis guy, gonna scratch my balls here'.
why do these effort posts NEVER HAVE ANY LINKS???
I want to support trans comrades and dunk on transphobic chuds but I CAN'T FIND THEM???
I'm not even asking for proof, I just want you to explain where these people are hurting you because I and many other cis allies on this website DO NOT SEE IT AND THAT IS NOT OUR FAULT
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I just wish somebody could give me a list of five posts and say, "here are the dogwhistles in these, this is what they mean"
the mods delete them
check the modlogs for anything marked transphobic or terf shit, theres vast amounts.
do not reply to the user who told you they were disengaging again.
Cool that's the info I was looking for. Idk wtf is going on but I 100% support trans comrades and want these fuckers booted
its the main problem we have been having with the site. "I dont see the transphobia" JUST LOOK AT THE FUCKING MODLOG
ITS OPEN
ITS CLEAR
THERES A SEARCH FUNCTION!
You guys are obviously doing a solid job keeping the site clean lol, but that's coming with the issue of people not seeing the labor you're doing.
Probably skews the perspective a fucking lot compared to us normies that just see the scrubbed up version of this site while you guys are arm deep in reactionary shit.
seriously!
and the reasons our trans comrades are leaving is because this shit is being targeted at them and they are the ones who get it in their inbox which means they obv see it before we delete it and oftentimes see it up for occasionally hours on end while it sits in the reports tab. i understand exactly what they mean when they say its noticeable.
I feel like this comment needs to be a copy paste response for every time the “where’s the evidence??” crowd shows up
Yeah yesterday someone made multiple accounts to spam me with transphobic/ableist copypasta shit like 50 times in the replies to my public comments. And I'm not even trans. To the credit of the mod and admin team who have been doing a fantastic job it was removed very quickly and as soon as I reported it. But I can definitely see how it can alienate our trans comrades.
yup. Just because the average user doesn't see it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Just means we are doing our jobs relatively well. Its been surprisingly hard getting people to realize that, even with a completely transparent modlog.
Ever thought about doing a weekly ban round up thread or something? Showing the worst of the worst.
Like those shitty papers in gas stations they put out that show all the arrests for the week, but in ban form.
thats what the modlog is basically. no need to highlight this shit.
I feel like it should be highlighted, because it's pretty clear to me that many, many users of this site have no idea how bad it is. It seems to me that to a trans comrade, there is constant harassment, like at least a few times a week, from outside users. I think that cis users don't see the modlog, which causes them to view themselves at odds with the mods and most of all, prevent solidarity with our trans comrades. I'm really sad to see so many users go and I know we can do better with this.
well they're obviously not deleted if they're in the modlogs right? can somebody link to the posts in the modlogs?
no.
what on earth is going on is this some truman show westworld shit or what
literally within the first ten things in the modlog is terf shit. ima ban you now, buhbye.
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Having been here since the first week or so, I'm 100% certain that it's two things: maybe a dozen stupidpol brigaders with a bunch of accounts/sockpuppets and no life, and a bunch of well-meaning but naive people falling hook line and sinker for wrecker shit and so serving to amplify it. Like fuck, it's an objective fact that there's a campaign of (a few pathetic) reactionary dipshits trying to sow discord, so whether one agrees with aggressive policing as a response to that or not the thing to do is fall in line until the reactionaries grow bored and start raiding somewhere else instead.
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I want to see proof, this feels just like the labour antisemitism 'scandal' where a tiny minority of people said some dodgy things and it was overinflated and only served to derail and confuse things. And as soon as you tried to dig into it and find examples they were thin on the ground. Yes it was used by the right but it came from inside the party as well. If there are transphobic ppl here they are overwhelmingly in the minority.
The thing is, if this many trans users are leaving, including TC who has been unwavering in their dedication and the time and effort they’ve put into this community, they must have good reasons. What motive is there for TC to put in all that work and then leave the community, if the accusations aren’t accurate?
That's my thinking as well. It doesn't change the fact, though, that it's kind of frustrating to seeing our trans comrades feeling excluded or taken for granted, and there not really being anything I, as a cisgender member of this community who hopes he's not a total douche, can do to help in this struggle, if I don't know where they're coming from or even fighting against.
I think waiting for the entirety of the left to be 100% pure of anything that could be construed as transphobic before moving on and attempting to organise further is a mistake.
Yes, of course call out examples whenever you see them and explain why they are wrong, but vague posts such as this and pretty much all the others I've seen don't seem to serve any purpose than create unecessary drama imo.
Improving economic conditions and access to health care and therapy/support will help all trans people more than anything else and that is the goal of all anticapitalists here.
I just saw one with that whole reproduction outside of sex is bourgeois post that seems to have been removed. Quite a few responded to it. That's not just undiatmat and unhistorical, its offensive to trans comrades, the rest of the lgbt+ community, the impotent and post menopausal women to name a few. There's also a sense of even with pronouns of that reddit-dudebro, 'everyone on the internet is just some able cis guy, gonna scratch my balls here'.