this used to tank my mental health so bad, just constantly feeling guilty cause im not working and achieving shit like my peers, but then i realized that it's all bullshit and you can just enjoy your life instead

dont get me wrong, self-improvement is important, but hustle culture is toxic as fuck and makes people feel like shit about themselves. some people dont give a shit about careers and ambitions and just want to vibe

    • uwu [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      At any point in human history before exactly 99 years ago to the day, I would have just died due to lack of insulin. So any life other than modern society is not one I would be capable of living in. Feels bad man.

      • BillyMays [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Another disease caused by civilization. We didn’t used to eat so much sugar and starch allowing tons of diseases to spread.

          • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            That's true, but the cause of type 1 diabetes is still unknown, and it could be linked to some epigenetic or environmental aspect of civilization. We don't know for sure how prevalent the disease was before prehistory.

            • BillyMays [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              Exactly my point. I doubt we tons of people with insulin issues for 200k years and they were dying from unregulated blood sugar levels.

              • uwu [she/her]
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                4 years ago

                bro wild animals get type one diabetes. its one of those things that just exists and happens sometimes.

                • BillyMays [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  That’s not really any proof that it existed in Humans pre civilization. And having a diet based solely around corn I’m sure exasperates the problem.

                  • uwu [she/her]
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                    4 years ago

                    It's autoimmine it has nothing to do with diet. The burden of proof is on you to show that it's caused by some aspect of modern society.

                    • BillyMays [he/him]
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                      4 years ago

                      Yes diet over many generations changes overall health. It’s not that drastic of an idea that major changes in diet would cause major changes in type 1 Diabetes.

      • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        In fact, most deadly diseases we face today didn’t exist in prehistory. They are by-products of civilization itself.

        Before agriculture, humans didn’t live with domesticated animals from which pathogens mutated into dangerous forms that could infect us. Only after agriculture did infectious diseases such as tuberculosis, cholera, smallpox, and influenza emerge in population centers with densities sufficient to allow them to easily spread once they’d mutated to human hosts from domesticated cows, chickens, ducks, and pigs.

        The same applies to many noninfectious diseases. Heart disease and stroke are the leading causes of death globally, but were rare or absent among foragers. The same goes for obesity, hypertension, type 2 diabetes, many types of cancer, auto-immune diseases, and osteoporosis.

        Don’t get me started on depression, chronic anxiety, and suicide — all of which are rare among foragers.

        https://chrisryanphd.com/civilized-to-death-cocktail-party-cheat-sheet/

            • uwu [she/her]
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              4 years ago

              Type one dietes exists in every country regardless of its level of civilization. It even exists in wild animals. There's some evidence that it might be exasperated by some aspect of modern civilization due to the higher rate of people with type one diabetes in "first world" countries, but you can't say with any certainty whether or not I would still have it in a different time period. You're basically saying:

              well actchully you maybe might not have had it before civilization because... uhh.... makes vague hand gestures and trails off

              • BillyMays [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                You have no way of saying you would have had it. There’s no proof that type 1 diabetes was an issue 100k years ago. No one knows, but we can make some inferences based on biology.

                • uwu [she/her]
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                  4 years ago

                  you seriously think that a condition that exists even in wild animals is a result of modern society?

              • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                well actchully you maybe might not have had it before civilization because...

                There’s some evidence that it might be exasperated by some aspect of modern civilization due to the higher rate of people with type one diabetes in “first world” countries

                You answered your own question.

                The fact that the disease is more prevalent in industrialized societies and much less prevalent in primitive societies is good evidence that many current cases of the disease wouldn't existed if not for our modern environment.

                • uwu [she/her]
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                  4 years ago

                  That doesn't mean it didn't exist before modern society though, so saying that an individual would or would not have had it in some other time period is meaningless because it still exists in nature.

                  • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    Not as meaningless as this conversation. 🙁

                    Edit: I meant "Not as meaningless as it would be to continue this conversation any further."

                    • uwu [she/her]
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                      4 years ago

                      this conversation isn't as meaningless as this conversation

                      we got a real brain genius over here. you're just repeating my comment as if it was your own thought now.

                        • uwu [she/her]
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                          4 years ago

                          It's fine. It's just that this unironic "people were better off before modern society" take pisses me off because it's privileged bullshit that doesn't apply to tons of people. And then to have people respond with "well ackshually disabled people are only disabled because of modern society too" with only minimal evidence to back that up, or implying its the fault of people's poor diets when there's no evidence for that in the case of type one diabetics, comes off as condescending. Normally I'd just downvote and move on but since downvoting is disabled I have to actually yell at people I disagree with now.

                          • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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                            4 years ago

                            I'm not trying to blame poor people or people's diets, I know lots of people are just trying to do that, and it's shitty. I'm trying to point the blame at industrial pollution and the alienating and sickening environment at large that we've created for ourselves, because I think it sets the stage for an argument for the radical transformation of society, i.e. communism.

                            I'm not an anprim and I don't believe in rejecting modern technology, except for cars (all hail the train gang). I don't believe that criticizing civilization from a materialist perspective is any more privileged than criticizing capitalism.

                            • uwu [she/her]
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                              4 years ago

                              It's not about what you believe, it's about what you said. And what you said wasn't a legitimate criticism of modern civilization. Your heart is in the right place but this ain't it, chief.

                  • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    Yes, some people would have still suffered from the disease, just not at the rate that people do today. I don't agree that that distinction is meaningless, but I do agree that the discovery of insulin was a triumph to be thankful for and proud of.

                    • uwu [she/her]
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                      4 years ago

                      It's meaningless because my original point was that modern society lets tons of people live that otherwise would not, and to say that civilization was better before without acknowledging that comes off as unironic anprim "return to monkey and let natural selection sort out the weak" bullshit. Even if that's not what you meant, you can't just hand-wave everything away as "disabled people are mostly the result of modern society anyway".

    • BillyMays [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      That was awesome! Thanks for the recommendation. Every time I watch video of hunter gatherers. I’m amazed at how much they laugh. It’s almost constant.

      Here’s a good article https://libcom.org/library/why-hunter-gatherers-work-play-peter-gray