this used to tank my mental health so bad, just constantly feeling guilty cause im not working and achieving shit like my peers, but then i realized that it's all bullshit and you can just enjoy your life instead
dont get me wrong, self-improvement is important, but hustle culture is toxic as fuck and makes people feel like shit about themselves. some people dont give a shit about careers and ambitions and just want to vibe
ppl should be allowed to fail at every endeavor of their life and still live a good life, but as-is the only people on earth afforded that comfort are the worthless sons of rich people
Don't fucking tell me about it. "What, you haven't picked up any new skills from lockdown ? No languages learned ? No physical progress ? Didn't try an instrument or whatever ? Damn you fucking suck, you will end up as a destitute pariah and a leech on society." The people who unironically think this should be put on a high-priority list for the gulags, as they often are unironic supporters of neoliberalism. People are ready to do something when they are flipping ready, and not one second before. Some don't want to partake in capitalism at all, and I sure won't blame anyone for that.
i just wanna live my life like a studio ghibli character
At any point in human history before exactly 99 years ago to the day, I would have just died due to lack of insulin. So any life other than modern society is not one I would be capable of living in. Feels bad man.
Another disease caused by civilization. We didn’t used to eat so much sugar and starch allowing tons of diseases to spread.
That's true, but the cause of type 1 diabetes is still unknown, and it could be linked to some epigenetic or environmental aspect of civilization. We don't know for sure how prevalent the disease was before prehistory.
Exactly my point. I doubt we tons of people with insulin issues for 200k years and they were dying from unregulated blood sugar levels.
bro wild animals get type one diabetes. its one of those things that just exists and happens sometimes.
That’s not really any proof that it existed in Humans pre civilization. And having a diet based solely around corn I’m sure exasperates the problem.
It's autoimmine it has nothing to do with diet. The burden of proof is on you to show that it's caused by some aspect of modern society.
Yes diet over many generations changes overall health. It’s not that drastic of an idea that major changes in diet would cause major changes in type 1 Diabetes.
In fact, most deadly diseases we face today didn’t exist in prehistory. They are by-products of civilization itself.
Before agriculture, humans didn’t live with domesticated animals from which pathogens mutated into dangerous forms that could infect us. Only after agriculture did infectious diseases such as tuberculosis, cholera, smallpox, and influenza emerge in population centers with densities sufficient to allow them to easily spread once they’d mutated to human hosts from domesticated cows, chickens, ducks, and pigs.
The same applies to many noninfectious diseases. Heart disease and stroke are the leading causes of death globally, but were rare or absent among foragers. The same goes for obesity, hypertension, type 2 diabetes, many types of cancer, auto-immune diseases, and osteoporosis.
Don’t get me started on depression, chronic anxiety, and suicide — all of which are rare among foragers.
https://chrisryanphd.com/civilized-to-death-cocktail-party-cheat-sheet/
Type one dietes exists in every country regardless of its level of civilization. It even exists in wild animals. There's some evidence that it might be exasperated by some aspect of modern civilization due to the higher rate of people with type one diabetes in "first world" countries, but you can't say with any certainty whether or not I would still have it in a different time period. You're basically saying:
well actchully you maybe might not have had it before civilization because... uhh.... makes vague hand gestures and trails off
You have no way of saying you would have had it. There’s no proof that type 1 diabetes was an issue 100k years ago. No one knows, but we can make some inferences based on biology.
you seriously think that a condition that exists even in wild animals is a result of modern society?
well actchully you maybe might not have had it before civilization because...
There’s some evidence that it might be exasperated by some aspect of modern civilization due to the higher rate of people with type one diabetes in “first world” countries
You answered your own question.
The fact that the disease is more prevalent in industrialized societies and much less prevalent in primitive societies is good evidence that many current cases of the disease wouldn't existed if not for our modern environment.
That doesn't mean it didn't exist before modern society though, so saying that an individual would or would not have had it in some other time period is meaningless because it still exists in nature.
Yes, some people would have still suffered from the disease, just not at the rate that people do today. I don't agree that that distinction is meaningless, but I do agree that the discovery of insulin was a triumph to be thankful for and proud of.
It's meaningless because my original point was that modern society lets tons of people live that otherwise would not, and to say that civilization was better before without acknowledging that comes off as unironic anprim "return to monkey and let natural selection sort out the weak" bullshit. Even if that's not what you meant, you can't just hand-wave everything away as "disabled people are mostly the result of modern society anyway".
Not as meaningless as this conversation. 🙁
Edit: I meant "Not as meaningless as it would be to continue this conversation any further."
this conversation isn't as meaningless as this conversation
we got a real brain genius over here. you're just repeating my comment as if it was your own thought now.
It's fine. It's just that this unironic "people were better off before modern society" take pisses me off because it's privileged bullshit that doesn't apply to tons of people. And then to have people respond with "well ackshually disabled people are only disabled because of modern society too" with only minimal evidence to back that up, or implying its the fault of people's poor diets when there's no evidence for that in the case of type one diabetics, comes off as condescending. Normally I'd just downvote and move on but since downvoting is disabled I have to actually yell at people I disagree with now.
I'm not trying to blame poor people or people's diets, I know lots of people are just trying to do that, and it's shitty. I'm trying to point the blame at industrial pollution and the alienating and sickening environment at large that we've created for ourselves, because I think it sets the stage for an argument for the radical transformation of society, i.e. communism.
I'm not an anprim and I don't believe in rejecting modern technology, except for cars (all hail the train gang). I don't believe that criticizing civilization from a materialist perspective is any more privileged than criticizing capitalism.
It's not about what you believe, it's about what you said. And what you said wasn't a legitimate criticism of modern civilization. Your heart is in the right place but this ain't it, chief.
That was awesome! Thanks for the recommendation. Every time I watch video of hunter gatherers. I’m amazed at how much they laugh. It’s almost constant.
Here’s a good article https://libcom.org/library/why-hunter-gatherers-work-play-peter-gray
Ugh one of those dudes took over the business I work at and all he does is post “motivational memes” With hustle culture platitudes and pics of musk or Gary v on our ig story
Hustling for even fewer gains as time goes on should put a sour taste in people’s mouths. Everyone I know who isn’t participating in this hustle bullshit is getting swept away by rising housing costs and a dearth of decent-paying jobs. Wanting to just live our lives aint an option in my urban center. I can see most of my friends moving away for better opportunities sometime in the future.
It annoys me to the point where I feel conflicted about sharing "life successes" to friends in private let alone on social network sites. On the one hand, fuck yeah something good happened and I want to share it but on the other hand, I don't like the idea of people I know who are "less successful" being forced to compare their circumstances to mine.
I think what I hate the most is the circlejerk surrounding college acceptances. Like not only does it not matter much (at least compared to actually graduating from your program and being able to live independently), but I suspect it causes a lot of young people to just go with the flow and end up making one of the biggest decisions of their life before they've put an adequate amount of time/thought/preparation into it resulting in high dropout rates.
Being a "success" is such a weird concept to me. Does making more money make you a success? I would think unless you are using that money to make the world a better place what is the point once you reach a comfortable level of subsistence. Is success having the fanciest job title possible? In my mind unless you are a doctor most "successful" careers are losers trying to seem important behind a desk. I just don't understand. I feel like it's just a way for people to feel important in a meaningless world.
It's nice not really giving a shit about the rat race. I have friends who kind of humble brag about shit they buy, they do a lot of shit just for status. I look at it and just wonder why they spend so much unnecessary money to look that tasteless. I think most people whose careers are the most important aspect of their lives are extremely boring and empty
I have colleagues that were surprised when I told them that I didn’t spend the holidays writing code for side projects, as that’s all they had done. Some had their spent time off doing extra work.
These people have children. What an awful state of affairs.
People used to shit on me when I was a troop (I know) for not caring if I got promoted. It's like, I've got goals and things I want to do with my life, but being in charge of all you assholes and adding ten hours to my work week for a miniscule bump in pay isn't one of them.
Success is being buried in a pyramid and anything short of that is a pauper's life.
