the left is completely dead in both the US and europe, more and more people are getting infected by Qanon and Trumpist shit, far right parties are gaining in europe and liberals are completely incompetent at dealing with them, the world is on fucking fire...

the revolution WILL come, but it'll come from the right :deeper-sadness:

  • CommieMisha [she/her,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    This is some doomer shit. More and more people are learning about socialism and communism, and are becoming aware of the crimes of imperialism and colonization. They might not be have read any theory yet, but they are on that trajectory.

    Things can get better, we just need to put in the effort to reach out to others and organize.

    • cumwaffle [she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      i am very much doomerified, that's what happens when everyone around you spouts off right wing shit and calls you naive and delusional when you call out racism

      the anti-trans shit happening in the UK doesnt help my mental health either, it sucks seeing how normalized transphobia is

      • lizbo [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Being surrounded by bad people all the time definitely worsens doomerism. I'm sorry you have to deal with that shit.

      • zeal0telite [he/him,they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Had to mention to someone that the "I identify as a..." was transphobic. They seemed to take it well at least.

        All my other UK friends seem pretty good on that front as well.

        It's not all bad, and the moment this pandemic shit is over I do want to do some reaching out.

  • late90smullbowl [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    No room for doom. Except maybe a little, occasionally.

    MAS are back in power in Bolivia. The project in Venezuela resisted. Cuba is still resisting. China is rising. All titanic struggles against a ruthless imperial hegemon with effectively infinite resources.

    There's a lot in the world to take strength and inspiration from. The struggle may be centuries long, we go on.

    • _else [she/her,they/them]
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      4 years ago

      i don't see what the billionaire supporting chinese government has to do with revolution.

      but latin america is going better than it has in a while.

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    4 months ago

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    • Mardoniush [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      I agree that Anarchists will lead the ground level, but I think more and more that the slow strengthening of Leftist workplace organising has a place and that a party will grow to encompass the other institutions, though in a more Luxemburgist that ML proper sense.

      What I also think we need is an urban reformulation of Maoist tactics, particularly early Maoism with its anarchist influences, with the Mass Line at its centre.

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Nah, we're stronger than ever. These things come in waves, and we have more cadres and stronger orgs than we did in 2016, and far stronger than in 2012. More and more committed progressives are abandoning the Dems and turning to Hard-Reformist and Revolutionary options.

    Yes, the masses are disengaged post election. But don't look at them, they come when the conditions are right. Look at our cadres and how far they've come.

    As for the right, a quick look at right wing sites shows they're in full crisis. The sheer levels of copium is incredible. Europe is less great, its true, but the Left is doing ok there even if the centre-left crumbles.

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      For real, the masses are shifting. The left is growing and the right is being propped up by the state/ruling class. The 1/6 riot was funded by corps and now that the tide is turning, it's going to be harder for them to keep funneling money to rightist orgs. Meanwhile, the left is thriving on nothing but being correct in a sea of lies.

      Biden will continue to prove to well meaning working class libs that there's no hope in the democrats, Trump will siphon off huge amounts of the Republican base with his bullshit party, DSA will probably end up endorsing some third party sometime in the next few years and the illusion of electoralism will vaporize before our eyes. There's a real opportunity to form a legitimate workers party and do electoralism the way Lenin talks about.

      Even if it all comes crashing down tomorrow and there isn't even a need for the formation of a workers party, most people would support a group like DSA over some Trump goons. Specifically because leftist orgs have been out there doing mutual aid and worker assistance for almost a year now. In my town, DSA went from completely unknown to basically everyone who works frontline knows them thanks to a mask distribution program. What does the right have? What have they done to rally the workers? What have they promised?

    • SerLava [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      To add to this

      The left has done really good work knocking doors and getting face to face. We had to mostly stop that. Could there be a lot of latent potential revived after the vaccines finally get distributed?

  • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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    4 years ago

    Yes everything might seem hopeless now, but on the bright side, collectively we're all terrible at gauging the correct amount of hope to have in any given scenario. Remember how much hope everyone had back in '08? Suckers. A year ago? Suckers. We could just as easily look back to now and be like "remember how needlessly mopey we were then? Suckers".

    • BasedGiraffe [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Future generations of what though, Tesla Mars Colony refugees? Climate change isn’t going to be dealt with basically unless the Dengists are right and China saves us all, because capitalism and geriatric rulers sure as fuck don’t care that we’re all going to die.

      It really does feel like we all lost in the early-mid 1900s and just have to slowly watch everything burn

  • Torenico [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Marx, Lenin.. nobody said it was easy. We might, and we will, experience periods of darkness. The Revolution is far away, what we must do now is fight back against reaction, fight back against discrimination, fight for those who can't fight. We all give our small part for the overall dream.

  • unabomber [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    go dengo mode and you can be content that your ideology has already won :deng-cowboy:

  • kingspooky [he/him, they/them]
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    4 years ago

    We are in a bad spot in the US and europe, but i am unsure doomerism is really helpful. If anything, being in a bad spot should drive home the importance of solidarity and being there for your comrades. We will either get through this together or not at all.

  • TheBroodian [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Pfff, after observing the 6th, the thing that became most clear to me is that these rubes on the right don't have the will, or interest in changing anything. The most action we'll see coming from the right fringe will be isolated mass shootings, not mass political action.

    • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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      4 years ago

      They were let into the capitol building, didn't even poop on anything and then they went home

      Even when victory is handed to them on a silver plate the right fucks up

  • superdoctorman [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Clowns to the left of me! Jokers to the right! Here I am stuck in the middle with you.