If you think the earth is dying because poor people are having too many babies, that's about three logical steps away from ecofascism.
If you think the earth is dying because poor people are having too many babies, that's about three logical steps away from ecofascism.
What's the shitty party of it?
Carry-capacity is a fascist talking point, not a real issue we are facing right now. Telling other people the right amount of kids to have or not have is extremely fucking reactionary and is the exact same shit people say when blaming the global south for their poverty because they have too many kids.
What other countries have you been to?
I’m not doing this personal experience Jack off debate.
Is not a debate. Nor is it about carrying capacity.
Most of the places I've been to are just trashed. Strip mined, rivers poisoned, trash Deep into forests with garbage everywhere, reefs stripped bare of fish. It's like that in the USA everywhere and every other country I've been to. Humans do this everywhere.
The idea that the planet can handle more people or that people can have as many kids as they want is not living in any type of reality. And with the way the world works right now it's a pro capitalist argument.
Look at that you were able to make an (fascist) argument without knowing where I visited. Good job.
Blaming the humans instead of the society is pro capitalist. It’s just a human problem sounds exactly like what evolutionary psychologists would say.
Humans have been trashing the world long before capitalism was a thing. We are most likely the number one cause of mass exiticttions and this goes back to before economies or civilization was a thing. If you want kids or have them cool.i want kids but I don't feel right bringing them into a world that is going to get worse and worse.
What kind of society did we live in before capitalism?
Wouldn’t having kids make want to work even harder to make sure it’s a better world? If you want kids you should have them and not create fantasies about what the future may or may not be. Because you literally have 0 idea.
Scientist disagree
History disagrees
Nothing about the concept of carrying capacity is inherently fascist. Carrying capacity is just putting a number on the concept of "infinite growth cannot occur in a finite system." If an ecologist is trying to calculate the number of horses that can live on an island long-term, for instance, nothing about that project is fascist.
At least on this matter, the fascism crops up in the proposed solutions. "We should cull people in the global south and keep the remainder in perpetual poverty" is a fascist solution. "We should improve the material conditions of the global south and guarantee women economic and political rights" is a socialist one.
Who made you the chairman of leftist thought?
Carrying capacity is a scientific concept. It is not a hard limit, but it actually exists. And it's not reactionary to tell people to have less kids. China's one child policy was massively beneficial for them, their population would have benn 500 million higher without it. Do you think it's reactionary when South Asian and African countries encourage family planning on their accord? Rapid population growth, in absense of sufficient economic growth, is abolutely a cause of poverty. That's the main fucking reason why countries practice family planning. The solution is good governance, family planning, women's rights etc. Just because fascists say poor people should be killed doesnt mean overpopulation isnt a problem. Fascists always do this shit where they take legitimate problems and prescribe psychotic solutions. The correct response is to respond with the correct solutions, not to deny the problem altogether.