In this situation theres an easy excuse, people in the protest had guns and they could easily assume she had one too and was trying to get in to hurt people.
Like yeah thats a bog standard excuse but its realistic enough that hammering on this point isnt doing what you think its doing.
There's even a video of this shooting. A bunch of chuds are trying to break through a closed door/window barrier in a hallway, and when they start making some progress you see someone on the other side point a gun and turn her into a good fascist.
Why would capitol police fire on people breaking through a barricade when they're protecting the vice president and congress people in the office behind them? I mean come on dude. I'm not saying they're in the right, but it wasn't the "criticism" that got her shot.
Yeah the person marching for the proto-fascist president surrounded by racists and bigots ready to overthrow the government and install a right wing dictatorship was a secret lefty
You've said multiple times that you think neoliberalism and fascism are pretty much the same thing but you don't think conservativism is fascist as well? Hard pressed to believe you aren't a wrecker.
And conservatism isn't fascist how? Especially in a US context. Conservatism in the US is the most neoliberal ideology. If neoliberalism is fascist, as you've said at least twice, how is it that conservatism is different?
That isn’t anti establishmentism, that’s Marxist-Leninist Bolshevism, and are you saying Lenin would be saying “oh no the protofash ruling class killed a protofash conservative! The horror!”
Cause he wouldn’t
Wait, the protofash that got killed supports the ‘color opposition’ (to the other bourgeoise party) which makes them better and less fascist, I forgot
Mate I have no clue what to think at this point, truly these takes are held together by scotch tape and spit
But maybe it’s a good idea to log off for a bit and reflect, I’m definitely gonna disengage because I don’t want to be coming down on you and stressing you out.
And what’s your point here? You’re not going anywhere with what you’re saying, you’re just continually backpedaling and getting further and further away from saying something with meaning
Every mega corporation in the world came out to denounce the trump rioters. (Except My Pillow) I feel like that means that they felt threatened by these riots.
Even if that's true, we shouldn't be supporting these people. Take a look at the thread stickied at the top today. That's what happens when these people get into power, there are real people who will suffer.
Maybe I’m a shitty person, but the fascist movement in America doesn’t really have enough support to get to the stage of the literal Holocaust. It would require total economic collapse for that.
I mean they already have people in camps and the majority of Americans have forgotten about it, it would be an easy next step, that was how the holocaust started. And then a fascist government with the American military? The holocaust under fascist America would not be limited to their own country.
What does that have to do with what we're talking about? Fascism in Germany was driven by a multitude of different factors but I assume you're going to be reductive and pick one aspect of German society that supports your strange defense for our modern day brownshirts
This is what you get when you take "Democrats are bad too" and contort it into "Democrats are actually worse than Republicans."
Not only does it make zero sense, but it actively stifles the growth of the left because anyone persuadable will look at that and think (correctly) that you don't have a clue.
I'm not gonna care when the conservatives/fascists are fighting each other. If anything their infighting is a weakness that the left should exploit, not support one flavour of racism over the other.
Doesn’t make the cops (not the troops, I was wrong about that part) who shot her in cold blood just.
And it also does not mean they shot her for critizing the election.
Im not going to lose sleep over this when they far worse to far less deserving poeple
Then why else would they have opened fire on an unarmed woman?
I really dont give a shit why
In this situation theres an easy excuse, people in the protest had guns and they could easily assume she had one too and was trying to get in to hurt people.
Like yeah thats a bog standard excuse but its realistic enough that hammering on this point isnt doing what you think its doing.
There's even a video of this shooting. A bunch of chuds are trying to break through a closed door/window barrier in a hallway, and when they start making some progress you see someone on the other side point a gun and turn her into a good fascist.
Why would capitol police fire on people breaking through a barricade when they're protecting the vice president and congress people in the office behind them? I mean come on dude. I'm not saying they're in the right, but it wasn't the "criticism" that got her shot.
Who said it did?
I feel like everyone is rushing to celebrate a woman’s murder by the pigs when it’s a bad thign
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Except it wasn’t the dude in the Nazi sweater
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Who's here celebrating?
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Calling the woman who died a fascist as if that was provable
Yeah the person marching for the proto-fascist president surrounded by racists and bigots ready to overthrow the government and install a right wing dictatorship was a secret lefty
I never said she was a secret lefty.
So what do you think she was then?
A conservative. I don’t believe conservatism is fascism, although conservatives will ally with fascism when given the chance
You've said multiple times that you think neoliberalism and fascism are pretty much the same thing but you don't think conservativism is fascist as well? Hard pressed to believe you aren't a wrecker.
Lmao no way, amazing
Most conservatives do have fascist opinions.
And conservatism isn't fascist how? Especially in a US context. Conservatism in the US is the most neoliberal ideology. If neoliberalism is fascist, as you've said at least twice, how is it that conservatism is different?
Because conservatism at the moment holds at least a color opposition to liberalism
Is that because you personally dislike liberalism more than anything on the right wing as you've stated before?
Who is currently running America?
The bourgeoise, with their two parties of neoliberal Capital
Correct.
Yet you think the dems are closer to fash than the GOP?
What even is your worldview?
Anti establishmentism
That isn’t a worldview, that’s a cop-out, and a contradictory one at that
The neoliberal world order is a poison. Bring it crashing to the ground. That’s what Lenin tried doing, and it worked in Russia.
That isn’t anti establishmentism, that’s Marxist-Leninist Bolshevism, and are you saying Lenin would be saying “oh no the protofash ruling class killed a protofash conservative! The horror!”
Cause he wouldn’t
Wait, the protofash that got killed supports the ‘color opposition’ (to the other bourgeoise party) which makes them better and less fascist, I forgot
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It doesn’t make them less fascist, it makes them usable.
More usable than the average lib? Cmon that’s patently absurd
Go make friends with boogaloo boys if that’s what you wanna do, but it’s ridiculous
Didn’t their leader turn out to be a Fed?
I don’t know, I haven’t heard that.
But, uh, Fucking and? What does that have to do with anything lmao
Yeah I’m just gonna befriend Elmer J Fedd lmao
It really seems like you have no idea how absurd the stuff you’ve been saying is, I’d fully expect you to do that at this point
You really think my paranoid schizo ass is gonna willingly befriend a cop
Mate I have no clue what to think at this point, truly these takes are held together by scotch tape and spit
But maybe it’s a good idea to log off for a bit and reflect, I’m definitely gonna disengage because I don’t want to be coming down on you and stressing you out.
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Well when this person was shot, a proto-fascist was running America, now a neoliberal is
As if trump was anything other than a stupid neocon stooge
And what’s your point here? You’re not going anywhere with what you’re saying, you’re just continually backpedaling and getting further and further away from saying something with meaning
My point is that the people in power are way worse than some trump chud
The people in power were the Trump Chuds they're petty bourgeois business owners and cops
They were in power. Somewhat.
Every mega corporation in the world came out to denounce the trump rioters. (Except My Pillow) I feel like that means that they felt threatened by these riots.
Even if that's true, we shouldn't be supporting these people. Take a look at the thread stickied at the top today. That's what happens when these people get into power, there are real people who will suffer.
Maybe I’m a shitty person, but the fascist movement in America doesn’t really have enough support to get to the stage of the literal Holocaust. It would require total economic collapse for that.
I mean they already have people in camps and the majority of Americans have forgotten about it, it would be an easy next step, that was how the holocaust started. And then a fascist government with the American military? The holocaust under fascist America would not be limited to their own country.
Why do you think fascism got big in Germany?
What does that have to do with what we're talking about? Fascism in Germany was driven by a multitude of different factors but I assume you're going to be reductive and pick one aspect of German society that supports your strange defense for our modern day brownshirts
I name a few. Already existing anti semitism mixed with a ruined economy, mixed with a recent humiliation, mixed with the bunker philosophy
How is that antifascist? Or even non fascist? It's a different flavor at best.
This is what you get when you take "Democrats are bad too" and contort it into "Democrats are actually worse than Republicans."
Not only does it make zero sense, but it actively stifles the growth of the left because anyone persuadable will look at that and think (correctly) that you don't have a clue.
I'm not gonna care when the conservatives/fascists are fighting each other. If anything their infighting is a weakness that the left should exploit, not support one flavour of racism over the other.
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about
Yeah no the person who is involved with a right wing coup with this guy doesn't have my sympathy.