Yeah I read the article you linked elsewhere. It’s not sexist to think vocal fry is annoying or that I don’t want it piercing my ears while at work. It can be used that way but I don’t think people here are doing that.
i once listened to a whole radio program on NPR (yeah I didn't pick it) where two guys had this exact same argument about how its awful and shit. one guy pointed out that he'd been doing it the whole time but since he was a guy it hadn't bothered anyone.
there was an awkward silence, and the arguments just came back up without acknowledging it, because libs are shit. I look forward to the more creative more intellectually rigorous bullshit excuse you'll come up with for this same phenomenon.
most men don't notice they're listening to a man with vocal fry unless its pointed out to them, often while making that same argument. the voices don't ping as annoying. ive seen it a billion times during the great vocal fry learning-what-that-word-means the libs had like a decade ago. do you really think you're special. ive heard multiple recorded examples. im telling you you only think its annoying because its associated with young women, who are supposed to be something that's inconsequential.
Or I don’t like it because I wear headphones at work and my ears are sensitive and it’s hurts sometimes. Could also be that, or maybe you’re correct, I’m just the leader of the He-Man-Woman-Hater-Club.
so its not vocal fry you hate, but literally anything that goes up to the frequencies that cis women typically hit at the high points of speaking in vocal fry? so its just the bodies of, like, whatever % of the population?
and you didn't think to maybe be pissed about the frequency response on your headphones, and how they don't handle high frequencies well?
or are we back to the problem being (mostly) cis women?
oh, wait, no, because you hate when men do it too, right? so it's clearly not just a matter of frequencies, because both cis and trans guys tend to have deeper speaking voices than cis women we assumed you might have been having a problem with earlier and....
oh hey we're back at this being a completely cultural thing with absolutely no connection to material condition! and what are the associations of vocal fry in your culture?
I’m not attacking woman. What is your issue here? That I’m not using a dialectic approach to why I don’t like high frequencies? Why jump into this struggle session?
its a big red flag for misogynistic shit, you're the one who raised it. its part of huge systemic biases and the underlying machinery of bigotry that grinds people the fuck down every fucking day. this isn't "which is the best way", this is "you're being part of so very many problems" its a diff kind of struggle session, and not jumping in to this kind would be shitty.
fuck it when I sober up I won't even respect you (collectively, to just however many billion of you aren't reading this) enough to tell you you're wrong, and we can go back to pretending that's my approval of all your fucked up shit, because I'll know you can't and won't do better and there's no point in trying to explain it to you. leave this unresponded to and I can just let you blend into the bigoted awful shitty capitalist tyranny that's just kind o f everything.
Oh spare me please. I fucking forgot I’m not allowed to voice my opinion since I’m not a targeted in anyway in society. But whatever. I’m not a good enough communist because I am a misogynist for saying vocal fry hurts my ears. Absolutely ridiculous and just keeps making me wonder why I even come to this place anymore.
Yeah I think you are thinking of uptalk. It doesn't happen to me, but there is some conceivable basis for vocal fry causing discomfort. For example (unrelated to fry or uptalk) some youtube videos that I watch cause physical discomfort in my ears-- kind of like a milder form of when you hear something really loud and your ear shuts off. Something about the way the voice is mixed is just physically grating. Even turning the audio down to barely perceptible levels doesn't solve it.
Uptalk is a purely prescpitivist social thing, like you said.
Some people’s voices are just annoying. Doesn’t have to be a woman, this specific instance is talking about two though. No one is saying they should change the way they speak. Everyone here is saying they don’t listen to it. Calm the fuck down and stop trying to paint a target on your back.
How am I supposed to know what your voice sounds like? No one here is policing your voice. You are going out of your way to scold people for being misogynistic because they are saying certain sounds make certain vibrations that either hurts their ears, they don’t like, or just don’t want to listen to. You’re being more toxic by doing that than anyone else in this thread.
Holy fuck. No one was perpetuating misogyny besides saying “I don’t like vocal fry” and you reply to several comrades telling them to stop being sexist and misogynist. I’m 100% for women empowerment and for them to rise up to demand equality, but yelling at comrades for saying they don’t like vocal fry ain’t it chief.
okay but preferences aren't magical things that spring forth from the fucking ether. they're based on shit. they're connected to things. usually cultural biases and implications and values and shit. preferences CAN be problematic. if you're trying to avoid that so aggressively, it's because you know most of yours are rooted in problematic shit.
because if you can't ask more of your fucking desires, of your literal fucking aspirations, how can you ask more of literally anyone or anything?
Preferences can be problematic yes, but no one was trying to be problematic by saying they don’t like Red Scare and that they don’t like vocal fry, specifically theirs in this post.
This specific instance picked up on VOCAL FRY. Vocal frying is pretty much only done by young women, and they've been shit on for it for no reason, just like how young women get shit on for everything else. Maybe the actual act of vocal fry isn't annoying, rather it's just that society has told you it is.
Yeah I read the article you linked elsewhere. It’s not sexist to think vocal fry is annoying or that I don’t want it piercing my ears while at work. It can be used that way but I don’t think people here are doing that.
i once listened to a whole radio program on NPR (yeah I didn't pick it) where two guys had this exact same argument about how its awful and shit. one guy pointed out that he'd been doing it the whole time but since he was a guy it hadn't bothered anyone.
there was an awkward silence, and the arguments just came back up without acknowledging it, because libs are shit. I look forward to the more creative more intellectually rigorous bullshit excuse you'll come up with for this same phenomenon.
Vocal fry on a guy is annoying too.
most men don't notice they're listening to a man with vocal fry unless its pointed out to them, often while making that same argument. the voices don't ping as annoying. ive seen it a billion times during the great vocal fry learning-what-that-word-means the libs had like a decade ago. do you really think you're special. ive heard multiple recorded examples. im telling you you only think its annoying because its associated with young women, who are supposed to be something that's inconsequential.
Or I don’t like it because I wear headphones at work and my ears are sensitive and it’s hurts sometimes. Could also be that, or maybe you’re correct, I’m just the leader of the He-Man-Woman-Hater-Club.
so its not vocal fry you hate, but literally anything that goes up to the frequencies that cis women typically hit at the high points of speaking in vocal fry? so its just the bodies of, like, whatever % of the population?
and you didn't think to maybe be pissed about the frequency response on your headphones, and how they don't handle high frequencies well?
or are we back to the problem being (mostly) cis women?
oh, wait, no, because you hate when men do it too, right? so it's clearly not just a matter of frequencies, because both cis and trans guys tend to have deeper speaking voices than cis women we assumed you might have been having a problem with earlier and....
oh hey we're back at this being a completely cultural thing with absolutely no connection to material condition! and what are the associations of vocal fry in your culture?
I’m not attacking woman. What is your issue here? That I’m not using a dialectic approach to why I don’t like high frequencies? Why jump into this struggle session?
its a big red flag for misogynistic shit, you're the one who raised it. its part of huge systemic biases and the underlying machinery of bigotry that grinds people the fuck down every fucking day. this isn't "which is the best way", this is "you're being part of so very many problems" its a diff kind of struggle session, and not jumping in to this kind would be shitty.
fuck it when I sober up I won't even respect you (collectively, to just however many billion of you aren't reading this) enough to tell you you're wrong, and we can go back to pretending that's my approval of all your fucked up shit, because I'll know you can't and won't do better and there's no point in trying to explain it to you. leave this unresponded to and I can just let you blend into the bigoted awful shitty capitalist tyranny that's just kind o f everything.
but for now: fuck you do better.
Oh spare me please. I fucking forgot I’m not allowed to voice my opinion since I’m not a targeted in anyway in society. But whatever. I’m not a good enough communist because I am a misogynist for saying vocal fry hurts my ears. Absolutely ridiculous and just keeps making me wonder why I even come to this place anymore.
except vocal fry is in lower frequencies?
am i mixing it up with the other thing? the shit we're policing peoples voices for and the current fashions are so hard to follow
Yeah I think you are thinking of uptalk. It doesn't happen to me, but there is some conceivable basis for vocal fry causing discomfort. For example (unrelated to fry or uptalk) some youtube videos that I watch cause physical discomfort in my ears-- kind of like a milder form of when you hear something really loud and your ear shuts off. Something about the way the voice is mixed is just physically grating. Even turning the audio down to barely perceptible levels doesn't solve it.
Uptalk is a purely prescpitivist social thing, like you said.
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Some people’s voices are just annoying. Doesn’t have to be a woman, this specific instance is talking about two though. No one is saying they should change the way they speak. Everyone here is saying they don’t listen to it. Calm the fuck down and stop trying to paint a target on your back.
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How am I supposed to know what your voice sounds like? No one here is policing your voice. You are going out of your way to scold people for being misogynistic because they are saying certain sounds make certain vibrations that either hurts their ears, they don’t like, or just don’t want to listen to. You’re being more toxic by doing that than anyone else in this thread.
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Lol yes that is what I am saying. :I-was-saying:
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Holy fuck. No one was perpetuating misogyny besides saying “I don’t like vocal fry” and you reply to several comrades telling them to stop being sexist and misogynist. I’m 100% for women empowerment and for them to rise up to demand equality, but yelling at comrades for saying they don’t like vocal fry ain’t it chief.
Yea. But it's still annoying.
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Yea. But as you said we live in a patriarchal society and people have been conditioned to find certain attributes appealing and others off-putting.
It's not a moral failing to get tired of listening to vocal fry
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You’re too obsessed with this shit. Can you leave my thread with this bullshit?
Yes. That too.
okay but preferences aren't magical things that spring forth from the fucking ether. they're based on shit. they're connected to things. usually cultural biases and implications and values and shit. preferences CAN be problematic. if you're trying to avoid that so aggressively, it's because you know most of yours are rooted in problematic shit.
because if you can't ask more of your fucking desires, of your literal fucking aspirations, how can you ask more of literally anyone or anything?
Preferences can be problematic yes, but no one was trying to be problematic by saying they don’t like Red Scare and that they don’t like vocal fry, specifically theirs in this post.
This specific instance picked up on VOCAL FRY. Vocal frying is pretty much only done by young women, and they've been shit on for it for no reason, just like how young women get shit on for everything else. Maybe the actual act of vocal fry isn't annoying, rather it's just that society has told you it is.
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as evidenced by my incorrectness lmao
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