• kristina [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    ok so hes just like : ah yes europe and america have the biggest beutifulist factories, we shouldnt let anywhere else produce them because theyre dirty

    • ElonMarx [comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      The way he said it was more about American manufacturing, but knowing Bill Gates it's definitely actually rooted in keeping poor countries from accessing any version of the vaccine in any short timeframe.

  • BillyMays [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Fuck this racist genocidal trash. “We don’t trust African countries to make the vaccine correctly” that’s why the EU had to stop vaccines from being imported into the UK. It’s all about controlling the means of production so that it gets to the people they want it to.

  • ElonMarx [comrade/them]
    hexagon
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    3 years ago

    The link is timestamped, but a summary would be "Making the vaccine open source could lead to less prepared and scrupulous companies producing and selling a vaccine to countries, then if those produced vaccines fail in some way, or have some bad side-effect, it hurts the reputation of all of the Covid vaccines, and vaccines in general.

    Basically that it is more important to make sure that all the produced vaccines are safe than it is to make the project accessible to any company or person that wants to make the Oxford vaccine.

    Thoughts on this? I saw the original tweet he's talking about here on Chapo and didn't consider that angle to it.

    • KasDapital [any]
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      3 years ago

      So basically "these poor countries might not follow the instructions, so we need our imperialist companies to make it, for their sake"

    • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Bullshit. Notice the weasel word 'could'. Instead what it lead to was not getting the vaccine out at all, instead of getting any amount of suitable vaccine.

      This is literally what government regulation is for, and if you think that private industry is better at quality control than the government is, I have a bridge in New York to sell you. (They tend to be similarly bad.)

      Ultimately they are going to contract out the vaccine manufacturing for money, generally without having full knowledge of those contractors full capabilities, and those contractors might fuck up occasionally, but it won't be liable on them.

      Edit: Also considering how rushed the whole process is, these vaccines are probably only relativly safe to begin with. Probably safe enough, but not as safe as flu or other standard vaccines.

      • DasKarlBarx [he/him,comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        It's such white savior bullshit and that limp interviewer is the worst person to interview this ghoul (which is probably why he got the chance to).

        Plenty of cointries in the global south have the facilities needed to produce vaccines and have done so for decades. Other could set it up with proper funding and/or literally just sending like a half dozen people out to help set it up.

        This fucking lying prick wanted to keep the money flowing and the boot on the neck or the global south for his own selfish/colonizer reasoning.

        • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          I didn't even think of the racial implications there. Thanks to you and others for pointing it out.

          • DasKarlBarx [he/him,comrade/them]
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            3 years ago

            Yeah no worries I just wanted to add a little onto yours because you made great points.

            It's a super common theme in "global development" where global north countries will come in and say "it's just such a particular process we want to make sure it goes right" without ever giving countries an opportunity to do anything themselves. And it just keeps them relient on other countries/NGOs like the Bill Gates Foundation which keeps those institutions entrenched in power.

    • Blurst_Of_Times [he/him,they/them]
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      3 years ago

      That's literally already happening, but it's the companies that have exclusive access to the vaccine doing it. After all, why bother competing with an open source market that doesn't exist?

      Wait, isn't competition their holy grail? Their "Yeah, but" whenever someone points out that the companies that run our lives are shit? "Yeah, but then another company will come along and do it better, so Capitalism fixes itself!" And now we're just openly doing monopolies on a lifesaving resource. Fucking vile scum.

      • ElonMarx [comrade/them]
        hexagon
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        3 years ago

        That’s literally already happening

        What do you mean by this? Is there a problem with one of the vaccines from the major companies right now? Thanks

    • D61 [any]
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      3 years ago

      To put it in the terms of my people (that is to say racist white terms), "those blacks and browns all live in mud huts and don't know what electricity is."