Is it increasing harm? Why are you telling people to NOT vote biden?
Give me the resurrected corpses of Stalin and Lenin and I’ll vote for him.
A couple people responded with reasons why Trump would be a less harmful president, and I don't really believe that, but voting for Biden is still not harm reduction because there's more to it than that.
First, he would be at most a little bit better.
Second, he cheated in the primary. When someone cheats and you ignore it and let them win anyway, how are they going to behave in the future?
Third, the more Biden gets, the more it's seen as a rebuke to the left and a validation of the neoliberal establishment. Win or lose, he needs to get as few votes as possible.
Fourth, people like Biden are much more dangerous than people like Trump. Although Trump may be worse in a vacuum, people like Biden take up space in what's billed as the "left wing" of American politics, siphoning off support for a movement that might lead to change and, rather than simply opposing progress like the Republicans do, making it basically impossible.
Fifth, Joe Biden winning would mean he or his VP is running in 2024, no primary. Among other things, this would be a climate disaster, because despite the fact that he's better on the climate than the Republicans are, anything short of radical action is mostly indistinguishable to the point that 8 years of Biden would definitely be worse than 4 years of Trump
Finally, 8 years of Obama led to a Trump victory, and it looks like chances are 4 years of Trump is going to lead to a Trump defeat. The next fascist after Trump is going to be less stupid and better at demagoguery, almost by definition. We know politicians like Biden open the door to fascism, which is reason enough to stop them from getting into power before we end up with president Tom Cotton
Hot take, Trump is the least damaging of the two. The mismanagement of the Empire being so immense that it can only result in the collapse of US hegemony accross the globe. I'm not saying Biden will directly be worse than Trump, they'll not stop deportation, wars, and probably go ahead to prosecute anarchists and BLM protesters; but what makes Biden a horrible president is that he'll be doing absolutely NOTHING to fix inherent issues plaguing the US, and I can garantee you, he'll try and smother left-wing voices with "concessions". A Trump victory would discredit completely mainstream democrats to the eyes of the population, and add more fuel to a bad situation, thus paving the way for the revolution. Trump will, without a doubt, keep doing what he's doing, but ask yourself if anything would change under Biden. Would the economy get better ? Nah, or just marginally. Would fossil fuel industries and fracking be stopped ? Nope. And the list goes on and on. Biden simply doesn't provide as much of a guarantee for a revolution in the next 10 years, Trump however, definitely does.
Are you from 2016? I heard all the same shit then. All it has done is move the dems to the right and legitimized the CIA and FBI.
The inner party was ALWAYS right-wing. 4 years ago, there was no left at all. Look at us now, after 4 years of Trump. That's polarization, people stop wishing for socialism-lite or conservatism-lite, they want the real stuff now. To go back to your point, the democrats' base was way farther right than it is now, the youth is incredibly based also. There's no way another democrat defeat doesn't pave the way for further radicalization of politics, and INSHALLAH, the death of the democratic party. This party deserves to die anyway, both because of its corrupt historical roots, and because of the upper party members will always try and shoot down anything left of neoliberalism.
Capitalism is failing spectacularily, and it's doing it live. Democrats, no matter how cucked they are, are at least able to prevent disasters, such as Puerto Rico's crisis, or the COVID crisis. They're able to give concessions, no matter how small (obamacare being an example of it), to keep the populace calm. Trump has caused a good chunk of the population to have absolutely nothing to lose at this point, and this is what we need. More people who find themselves going farther left out of desperation. Lenin also mentionned such things in "revolutionary situations", where he says 3 things being necessary for shit to hit the fan :
(1) when it is impossible for the ruling classes to maintain their rule without any change; when there is a crisis, in one form or another, among the “upper classes”, a crisis in the policy of the ruling class, leading to a fissure through which the discontent and indignation of the oppressed classes burst forth. For a revolution to take place, it is usually insufficient for “the lower classes not to want” to live in the old way; it is also necessary that “the upper classes should be unable” to rule in the old way;
(2) when the suffering and want of the oppressed classes have grown more acute than usual;
(3) when, as a consequence of the above causes, there is a considerable increase in the activity of the masses, who uncomplainingly allow themselves to be robbed in “peace time”, but, in turbulent times, are drawn both by all the circumstances of the crisis and by the “upper classes” themselves into independent historical action.
Quoted from wikipedia out of simplicity, but you see the gist of it.
Generally, answers to this question try to look at the big picture of the many things that will be exactly the same under Biden and Trump, like imperialism, healthcare, responses to protests, global warming, and capitalism.
Really, Biden and Trump do have actual policy differences, that will hopefully impact some groups like LGBT people, but the big picture is identical either way.
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This article talks about how voting is not harm reduction from an indigenous perspective. https://www.indigenousaction.org/voting-is-not-harm-reduction-an-indigenous-perspective/
Goddamnit, I had to look and the artist is a dumbass chud who thinks he’s a centrist.
Really? Chapo always had a habit of upvoting chud memes and newspapers as long as they owned the libs.
The fact that he drew a portrait of Andy Ngo of all people is embarrassing af. I'm glad this man was shamed off of /r/comics a year or so back.
...shamed off of /r/comics a year or so back.
Lmao, how did that happen
He pretty much drew a meta comic that got highly upvoted on the sub. So riding the popularity wave, he drew back-to-back meta comics based off the original one he drew. they were pretty bad and nerd shit, like telling r/comics users "You can smash every mirror, but you can't destroy your own reflection" in his comics. So the sub ended up making fun of him for it, and he went to cry about it on the Jordan Peterson sub LOL
Literally draws "blue-haired SJWs ruining our games" https://nitter.net/GPrime85/status/1291391867540705280
What a fucking loser.
Nothing wrong with seizing the memes of abstraction for our own purposes. Don't give the artist credit, the author is dead, your chud meme now makes the world more red.
you don't know me I live my life trying how to intelligently spread leftism. But my friends, our ability to spread leftism and our communities are more threatened by right-wingers than slighly less right right-wingers.
more threatened by right-wingers than slighly less right right-wingers
Do you hear yourself? The threat is the same.
Yes I do hear myself and I hate to say it but I am serious. I know it sucks and that the situation is bad.
It aches for neither, don't hope either of them wins you fucking liberal. Kids in Yemen aren't begging for Biden to win.
It doesn't make a difference though, Biden isn't "harm reduction".
If you're hoping he wins then you should be voting for him, that's what voting is. But don't fucking vote for him or hope he wins, because he's a right-wing rapist.
I never said that it would be a difference comrade, and again I'm not voting for either like I said
sure he is a right-wing rapist. But not voting for him would enable a far worse right-wing rapist.
There is no "far worse". They are both shit, they both lead us down the same path to fascism.
Even if that were true voting democrat would reduce harm on the way to fascism.
No, it doesn't. Yemen still gets bombed, kids still get put in cages.
Yemen still gets bombed, kids still get put in cages.
sure
What do we do about that? Build momentum with a leftist movement?
Nah, you're here telling us to vote for fuckin Biden. You aren't doing shit.
wait what? So just because we disagree here I am "not doing shit"?
oh they are just mad that the moral choice is to vote for a rapist and let's be honest, I can understand that
It's not the damn moral choice. Voting for either is immoral. "Harm reduction" is revisionist bullshit that ignores the fact that liberals enable fascists.
I'm not convinced which one will be worse for the future of humanity yet, and thinking about it is disgusting so I just try to avoid thinking about it, I won't be voting so fuck it. Terrified of 4 years of biden doing 10x more to enrage the right and quell the left than 8 years of obama did
There is 0 proof that a biden presidency would "enrage" the right. Trumps term has enabled the right sooooo much.
There is 0 proof that a biden presidency would “enrage” the right.
Besides Bidens entire career
I'm terrified of that possibility not convinced of its reality, y'know?
Edit: whoever is downvoting all of kaka's comments knock it off, are you 12?
Edit: whoever is downvoting all of kaka’s comments knock it off, are you 12?
don't worry about it, I knew what I was getting into
I’m terrified of that possibility not convinced of its reality, y’know?
not really
I think back on the obama years and what I see are every lib and person who could manage to ignoring absolutely everything and just pretending it was the end of history, racism is over, we won yay, and then not paying attention to anything at all or caring because they were comfortable enough to easily ignore all the monster shit obama and the dems were up to, and the right organized.
I worry about that same apathy, that same excuse to look away and ignore everything and pretend it's fine coming back and weakening the center left and strengthening the right even more.
Like I said, I don't know if this is an especially valid worry, as I'm a relatively new leftist with enormous holes in my historical context, but again I'm not voting so I don't have to care, just have to wait to see who wins for what I do next
It is a valid worry. Biden winning means the Democratic Party accepts conservatism as their new norm. It's another lurch to the right to catch up with Republicans. It does zero good.
The democratic party only accepts conservatism as their new norm, because most of the US is a fucking right-wing hellhole and they are afraid that they have to be very much to the right to win any election.
The only thing they are afraid of is having to move left. They are happy to move right.
I even agree. This goes for both parties though and the republicans already are on alex jones levels of stupid to stay more to the right.
Yeah, and if Biden wins, after his term the Democrats will move there too. Hell, Russiagate is already dabbling in conspiracy theory idiocy.
Hoping a fascist enabler wins is liberalism.
Sanders as president would have been a fascist enabler as well and you know it. Why would it have been ok then?
Trying to stop the country's constant march to the right = enabling fascism somehow?
He's enabling fascism now by supporting Biden though, so fuck him.
liberal
lol.
Kids in Yemen don't care either way. They'll get fucked by the USA anyways.
I am not from the US so I am not voting for him either, but I would if I could.
So you're telling me its against the rules to post content that has been posted before, even if it's been a while or you didn't know it was posted?
We don't need a rule for that, if something gets reposted a lot and people are sick of it it'll just get downvoted
It's cool, I'm sure people are seeing it this time who didn't see it before, no worries!
reddit is straight up owned by the DNC.
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and to you currently 14 people who down voted this whole post, get fucked libs.
downvoters are bots. that's what I say at night to make me feel better about my bad takes as I cry into a pillow
Comrade I appreciate your art but I would like to stage agitation at polling places and decry the system for what it is - an electoralist psyop - upvote withheld to Combat Liberalism.
I will never vote for libs or accept moderate reformism, which is a watering down of communism
Honest question: what makes Bernie a libleft rather than an authleft/center left?
The political compass isn't real.
There is zero point trying to situate a human being on it.