I liked Ezri a lot more than Jadzia because I saw Dax as a sort of (unintentional) trans allegory and I could relate a lot more to Ezri's struggle with being unsure of herself and her journey with finding a place for herself in the world post-joining.
Oh it's wayyyy worse than wages. Rick Berman, the producer of the franchise after Gene Roddenberry died was a serial sexual harraser and especially towards Terry Farrell who played Jadzia. I actually never heard anything about wages,.
They jerked the actors around a lot. Wil Wheaton left because he had a chance to do a role in a big movie (this was when he was still kind of up and coming) and they told him no on the grounds that he would be needed for an important role in an episode. Not true.
Mulgrew hated working with Jeri Ryan (first female captain increasingly sidelined for T&A)
Refused to let them do anything too challenging. In the episode where Riker falls in love with a genderless alien (and the alien ends up expressing as a female and gets harsh treatment for it) Frakes thought it should be played by a man and he was totally down to do the first same sex kiss. Berman didn't like that.
He had no problem when Dax kissed another woman years later though.
The DS9 documentary and several interviews with Ferrel and other cast members from conventions and stuff confirm it was Rick's treatment of her. He also tried to play hard ball and said things like without the show she'd be working at K-Mart when her contract negotiations were coming up. She asked to go from main cast to recurring character and appear in 6-10 episodes per season cause she couldn't be around Burman but liked everything else. He said she had to be all in or nothing so she walked. This may have been 'officially' over money according to Paramount/CBS but I really don't think that was any real part of it.
From what I've heard the showrunner for DS9 )who overall seems like a very stand up dude and even did a self Crit section for the the DS9 doc he made a couple years back) wasn't aware until after the show had ended. He mostly worked with the writers and wasn't involved with things on set as much, but he was clearly upset at himself for letting it happen under his watch regardless. Also unfortunately he worked for the network, not for the show. Unless a Paramount CEO fired him there's not much that could be done and Rick Berman was making them a lot of money at the time. If it wasn't DS9 while it was first airing then fan pressure may have worked but star trek fans at the time hated DS9, a lot were gross sexist nerds themselves too. They even had Micheal Pillar right there who could just take over for Berman but corporation yay
i don't know what to think of hollywood unions; on the one hand cool shit like the writers guild strike, hilariously long grudges like the one against Elia Kazan
but on the other hand support for Roman Polanski, horrific records against sexual harrasment... land of contrasts
i mean closed shops are cool and cooler still considering they're technically illegal; prolly sucks for the people trying to get in if they can't tho i guess
Yeah, I found that out after I finished DS9 and was horrified. From the few behind the scenes stuff I've seen about that era of trek it seems that the working conditions were abyssmal. Especially for the captains. I vaguely remember Kate Mulgrew talking about how playing Janeway for 7 years severely affected her home life.
Kate Mulgrew had a very young child at the time. Shatner uses that in an interview with her to make the point that women shouldn't have jobs. Stand up guy.
possibly Tsar Bomba level take (and DS9 spoilers)
I liked Ezri a lot more than Jadzia because I saw Dax as a sort of (unintentional) trans allegory and I could relate a lot more to Ezri's struggle with being unsure of herself and her journey with finding a place for herself in the world post-joining.
ezri doesnt deserve much guff but the out of universe circumstances piss me off intensely
jadzia's actor literally got fired for wanting an equal wage as the men its such bullshit
Oh it's wayyyy worse than wages. Rick Berman, the producer of the franchise after Gene Roddenberry died was a serial sexual harraser and especially towards Terry Farrell who played Jadzia. I actually never heard anything about wages,.
It was wages too.
They jerked the actors around a lot. Wil Wheaton left because he had a chance to do a role in a big movie (this was when he was still kind of up and coming) and they told him no on the grounds that he would be needed for an important role in an episode. Not true.
Mulgrew hated working with Jeri Ryan (first female captain increasingly sidelined for T&A)
Refused to let them do anything too challenging. In the episode where Riker falls in love with a genderless alien (and the alien ends up expressing as a female and gets harsh treatment for it) Frakes thought it should be played by a man and he was totally down to do the first same sex kiss. Berman didn't like that.
He had no problem when Dax kissed another woman years later though.
He did have a problem with Dax staying in that relationship however.
oh yeah berman was a monster in a lot of ways but i think the specifics of farrells firing was over compensation. not absolutely sure about that tho.
also pissed he made 7 of 9 wear that outfit & corset, made kira wear that shit... etc. etc. just a bad fucking guy
edit: maybe she wasnt fired & quit cuz they refused to do equality?
The DS9 documentary and several interviews with Ferrel and other cast members from conventions and stuff confirm it was Rick's treatment of her. He also tried to play hard ball and said things like without the show she'd be working at K-Mart when her contract negotiations were coming up. She asked to go from main cast to recurring character and appear in 6-10 episodes per season cause she couldn't be around Burman but liked everything else. He said she had to be all in or nothing so she walked. This may have been 'officially' over money according to Paramount/CBS but I really don't think that was any real part of it.
makes sense. they really shouldve done union action against that guy
SAG doesn't have a good record with sexual harrasement to say the least...
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they really dont lmao, i would expect some kinda solidarity with the coworkers tho (not like most the cast didnt have beef with berman geez)
From what I've heard the showrunner for DS9 )who overall seems like a very stand up dude and even did a self Crit section for the the DS9 doc he made a couple years back) wasn't aware until after the show had ended. He mostly worked with the writers and wasn't involved with things on set as much, but he was clearly upset at himself for letting it happen under his watch regardless. Also unfortunately he worked for the network, not for the show. Unless a Paramount CEO fired him there's not much that could be done and Rick Berman was making them a lot of money at the time. If it wasn't DS9 while it was first airing then fan pressure may have worked but star trek fans at the time hated DS9, a lot were gross sexist nerds themselves too. They even had Micheal Pillar right there who could just take over for Berman but corporation yay
i don't know what to think of hollywood unions; on the one hand cool shit like the writers guild strike, hilariously long grudges like the one against Elia Kazan
but on the other hand support for Roman Polanski, horrific records against sexual harrasment... land of contrasts
They also make it hard where you need to be in a movie to be in SAG but to be hired for a movie you often also need to be in SAG
i mean closed shops are cool and cooler still considering they're technically illegal; prolly sucks for the people trying to get in if they can't tho i guess
The movie industry is a fuck in every direction
Unfortunately, in most employment relationships there's very little functional difference between quitting and being forced out.
Yeah, I found that out after I finished DS9 and was horrified. From the few behind the scenes stuff I've seen about that era of trek it seems that the working conditions were abyssmal. Especially for the captains. I vaguely remember Kate Mulgrew talking about how playing Janeway for 7 years severely affected her home life.
Yeah that's what happens when you work for assholes. Berman was a massive asshole.
Kate Mulgrew had a very young child at the time. Shatner uses that in an interview with her to make the point that women shouldn't have jobs. Stand up guy.
I like Ezri cause Nicole DeBoer and I have the same birthday and she was in Kids in the Hall a couple times