:geordi-no: Daily dem soc struggle sessions
:geordi-yes: Talking about my undying affection of Tasha Yar and Kira
Posadism gang here to remind you we are 3 years away from The Bell Riots, 32 years away from thermonuclear holocaust, and 43 years away from first contact.
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Most of the senior staff were bigoted against Ferengi in ways that would make us balk if it was directed at any other people.
Ferengi were shitty in the way that we balk at so hard we joined a message board against it.
i hate tasha yar as a character and she, rightly, was written off and that was good
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i hate her because her entire character is about muh rape gangs while being an absolutely terrible portrayal of ptsd and being a survivor. the fact that a planet of humans even exists with rape gangs when a veritable human paradise is on the border is absolutely ridiculous. such a society would have already cannibalized itself into nothingness from refugees leaving to the federation
You're right, but "Yesterday's Enterprise" was still a banger of an episode.
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And she swiped Data's v-card.
Nah I'm horny for that Clark Kent haircut
Go ahead and call the Vocel Police -- somehow I'll manage to get off
Yesterday's Enterprise wouldn't be nearly as good if Tasha hadn't been dead
If I'm not allowed to horny post about Tasha Yar and the [REDACTED] then what's the point?
If Volcel Police are Starfleet Security then that explains their constant failure to deal with horniness.
My god, Section 31 was the volcel police all along. Engineering a disease to destroy the Great Link. The galaxy's longest ongoing orgy.
My favorite episode is the one with the sentient minerals and the one with the sentient robot vacuum cleaners
possibly Tsar Bomba level take (and DS9 spoilers)
I liked Ezri a lot more than Jadzia because I saw Dax as a sort of (unintentional) trans allegory and I could relate a lot more to Ezri's struggle with being unsure of herself and her journey with finding a place for herself in the world post-joining.
ezri doesnt deserve much guff but the out of universe circumstances piss me off intensely
jadzia's actor literally got fired for wanting an equal wage as the men its such bullshit
Oh it's wayyyy worse than wages. Rick Berman, the producer of the franchise after Gene Roddenberry died was a serial sexual harraser and especially towards Terry Farrell who played Jadzia. I actually never heard anything about wages,.
It was wages too.
They jerked the actors around a lot. Wil Wheaton left because he had a chance to do a role in a big movie (this was when he was still kind of up and coming) and they told him no on the grounds that he would be needed for an important role in an episode. Not true.
Mulgrew hated working with Jeri Ryan (first female captain increasingly sidelined for T&A)
Refused to let them do anything too challenging. In the episode where Riker falls in love with a genderless alien (and the alien ends up expressing as a female and gets harsh treatment for it) Frakes thought it should be played by a man and he was totally down to do the first same sex kiss. Berman didn't like that.
He had no problem when Dax kissed another woman years later though.
He did have a problem with Dax staying in that relationship however.
oh yeah berman was a monster in a lot of ways but i think the specifics of farrells firing was over compensation. not absolutely sure about that tho.
also pissed he made 7 of 9 wear that outfit & corset, made kira wear that shit... etc. etc. just a bad fucking guy
edit: maybe she wasnt fired & quit cuz they refused to do equality?
The DS9 documentary and several interviews with Ferrel and other cast members from conventions and stuff confirm it was Rick's treatment of her. He also tried to play hard ball and said things like without the show she'd be working at K-Mart when her contract negotiations were coming up. She asked to go from main cast to recurring character and appear in 6-10 episodes per season cause she couldn't be around Burman but liked everything else. He said she had to be all in or nothing so she walked. This may have been 'officially' over money according to Paramount/CBS but I really don't think that was any real part of it.
makes sense. they really shouldve done union action against that guy
SAG doesn't have a good record with sexual harrasement to say the least...
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they really dont lmao, i would expect some kinda solidarity with the coworkers tho (not like most the cast didnt have beef with berman geez)
From what I've heard the showrunner for DS9 )who overall seems like a very stand up dude and even did a self Crit section for the the DS9 doc he made a couple years back) wasn't aware until after the show had ended. He mostly worked with the writers and wasn't involved with things on set as much, but he was clearly upset at himself for letting it happen under his watch regardless. Also unfortunately he worked for the network, not for the show. Unless a Paramount CEO fired him there's not much that could be done and Rick Berman was making them a lot of money at the time. If it wasn't DS9 while it was first airing then fan pressure may have worked but star trek fans at the time hated DS9, a lot were gross sexist nerds themselves too. They even had Micheal Pillar right there who could just take over for Berman but corporation yay
i don't know what to think of hollywood unions; on the one hand cool shit like the writers guild strike, hilariously long grudges like the one against Elia Kazan
but on the other hand support for Roman Polanski, horrific records against sexual harrasment... land of contrasts
They also make it hard where you need to be in a movie to be in SAG but to be hired for a movie you often also need to be in SAG
i mean closed shops are cool and cooler still considering they're technically illegal; prolly sucks for the people trying to get in if they can't tho i guess
edit: maybe she wasnt fired & quit cuz they refused to do equality?
Unfortunately, in most employment relationships there's very little functional difference between quitting and being forced out.
Yeah, I found that out after I finished DS9 and was horrified. From the few behind the scenes stuff I've seen about that era of trek it seems that the working conditions were abyssmal. Especially for the captains. I vaguely remember Kate Mulgrew talking about how playing Janeway for 7 years severely affected her home life.
Yeah that's what happens when you work for assholes. Berman was a massive asshole.
Kate Mulgrew had a very young child at the time. Shatner uses that in an interview with her to make the point that women shouldn't have jobs. Stand up guy.
I like Ezri cause Nicole DeBoer and I have the same birthday and she was in Kids in the Hall a couple times
Damn we should get a "live long and prosper" Vulcan hand sign to compliment all our salute emojis
The Prime Directive has a lot of good things to add to U.S. foreign policy. Just the recognition that even well-intentioned interventions usually fuck things up would be a huge step forward.
i haven't watched picard nor do I really care about the movies, they are sci-fi shlock. But his character in the series is great, the final scene still gets me in tears if i watch it ngl
This is the correct opinion of Jean Luc Picard. Don't let bad creative decisions ruin a good character
To preserve the character you have to consider the movies and the Picard series non-canon. It's the only way. (Also some of the more iffy TNG episodes)
When a show has so many people behind the wheel you gotta use an aggregate to figure out character.
Also, Archer is the most ideal and ethical star fleet captain that all other captains should aspire to.
He took his dog with him on an away mission to meet with a species notoriously prickly about etiquette. He then let his dog pee on a sacred tree and refused to apologize.
Not only that, the aliens were the only suppliers of a doohicky that the ship needed to go to warp, so he risked getting his crew stranded over his dog.
Man, I wish I didn't remember A Night in Sickbay:
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/A_Night_in_Sickbay_(episode)
Yeah. Even night in sickbay isn't as bad as the early TNG eps that went out of their way to shit on African and Irish people.
He did the breast he could in a difficult situation okay????
Archer was an interesting character, but I wouldn't call him ideal or at all ethical. His character got stuck waaaaaaay too deep into the post-9/11 war on terror thing in season 3. He, uh.... he tortured some folks. I'm not sure if him feeling bad about it afterwards makes that ok.
I’m not sure if him feeling bad about it afterwards makes that ok.
Yeah that's classic "we butchered millions in Vietnam but it made our boys sad so let's call it even" bullshit.
Remember that time he spaceborded a dude? Remeber all the times he didn’t listen to T’Pol when she was obviously right? Remember all the shouting?
Doing the breast he can my ass.
Oh come on. Sisko>Janeway>Pike>Kirk>Picard> Saru>>>Archer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lorca
It’s for the best. He’s from discovery and probably discoveries best character who isn’t pike
I upbeared your post for the emojis, then removed it because DS9 isn't on your list.So… I lied. I cheated. I bribed men to cover up the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to murder. But most damning of all… I think I can live with it… And if I had to do it all over again… I would. Garak was right about one thing – a guilty conscience is a small price to pay for the safety of the Alpha Quadrant. So I will learn to live with it…Because I can live with it…I can live with it.
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Oh shit sry you said "series:" then listed captains and it tripped me up I'm a notorious skimmer
I think I'm finally too blitzed to be flexing in here time to go :sicko-spin:
the maquis are booj. legit settled a border zone for like 20-30 years and are now willing to kill people over it when they could just move to one of the hundreds of other planets in the federation or just go back to earth, which is again, a paradise
The presence of an effectively infinite amount of good land and the ability to create a high standard of living anywhere changes a lot about territorial disputes.
yep. the fact that theyre willing to kill and die and potentially start a quadrant spanning total war over it which will drag in trillions of people, they are selfish people and i hope they die (and they did! _)
Everyone should just live on Earth. That would make a great show.
honestly id like an exploration of what the seedy element to star trek earth society might look like. we never really get a huge dive into civilian life in star trek
Picard sorta tried that and it was awful. They just kinda decided capitalism never actually went away and also drug addiction is still common and everyone is an asshole.
It can be done. I just don't trust anyone to do it well right now.
The Maquis are a section 31 funded terrorist group eager to destroy the Cardassian socialist experiment and let human imperialist tendencies reach their apex.
The Cardassians are literally the space Roman empire, but go off, ig.
You’re thinking of the Romulans.
Cardassia is the only truly socialist “empire” in the alpha quadrant.
I'm literally watching an episode of DS-9 right now. Cardassia is a military dictatorship in the style of the late Roman empire.
Cardassia is coded more as Space Nazis, but @cilantrofellow does have a good bit.
Hah, why would I get any information from religious extremists bankrolled by federation imperialists?
Read theory and stop accepting propaganda. #BajorisCardassia
certain backwards cultures must be taught to reject superstition by ahem gentle force
ASide from cilantrofellow's bit, the Romulans are 100% the coded-as-Romans in star trek.
Romulus and Remus (the name of the Romulan and Reman homeworlds) were the twin brothers who led the foundation of Rome in mythology.
"Settler" really takes on a different meaning when you're settling on a planet with no sentient life (or no life at all).
Agreed, that's why I stan the Denobulans. just wanna chill with the friendly critters, eat snacks, and practice medicine.
I choose to assume we don't see them in the show after that period in history because it doesn't make for interesting television to show them chilling with friendly critters, eating snacks, and practicing medicine.
Honestly that's a big part of what I love about Trek. They aren't afraid to be boring.
For a long time I watched it until I fell asleep because it is that perfect mix of calm and exciting; keeps you engaged for an hour or so and then isn't-too-disruptive while you drift off into nice dreams.
Also having like, a whole minute of positive poly representation on TV was wild.
For fucking real. The entire premise of the show is anchored over her being a terrible captain. They could just set a timebomb at The Caretaker's array and then used it to go home before it explodes. It's not like they chilled in orbit to keep the Ocampa safe anyway, they just abandoned them and stranded themselves.
The Dominion War was started by the Alpha Quadrant and The Dominion was actually very patient with the constant arrogant incursions on their territory for quite a long time.
Alternative to mining the wormhole was for them to keep building up troops to the point where the Federation would have lost.
DS9 is so damn good.
The Federation mined the wormhole not the Dominion. It's also pretty funny that Grand Magus Zek kinda set the whole war in motion.
Edit: also the federation is still fucked. Do you really think the Dominion isn't scheming hard to deal with the only organization that has ever almost genocided them? They think long term. What I'm saying is the Dominion caused The Burn
Yeah because the dominion was doing a massive military buildup via the wormhole.
I got mixed up. The Dominion fleets wouldn't need to have built up of the Alpha quadrant could have just stayed out of the gamma quadrant or maybe considered it doesn't bong to them
Didnt' they have a ton of border skimishes and the dominion being hyper aggressive even when the federation tried to respect borders?
Federation doesn't know the meaning of the words "go away"
The federation spent two seasons setting up colonies and mining and shit in the gamma quadrant as well as the Ferengi business ventures in the area. I kind of assume the wormhole opens up into the outskirts of Dominion territory because it just works best. They sent that one psychic powered Cotta to tell the feds to fuck off and they didn't.
Edit to fix my quadrant, said Delta instead of gamma cause I'm watching Voyager right now
