If the US really gave a shit about getting rid of the Zapatistas, they'd have done so. They only have like 7,000 people in poorly armed militias, and their combined population isn't even half a million. What they've done is genuinely amazing, but their situation is not at all comparable to Cuba. They're just a handful of people living in small villages in a jungle of little geopolitical importance.
link the thread? idk what you're referring to specifically.
and yeah, you can critique imperialist attitudes, but the vast majority of the time, I see that just thrown out as an excuse to not have a discussion about the faults of ML countries. like, we should be able to have a discussion about the CCP's not great attitudes towards lgbtq people, or the working conditions of the working class in Vietnam, without that conversation being immediately shut down by someone throwing out bad faith accusations of justifying imperialism. one can point out the poor treatment of certain people in certain places without wanting to invade or sanction that place.
if we refuse to look at why or how things are bad in socialist projects across the world, we will never learn what went wrong to get to that point, and how we can address it in a future effort.
But the case of the Zapatistas is legitimately different compared to Cuba and it is very relevant because the model the Zapatistas followed would never be applicable for them.
a narrow strait between them and Florida, plus the US seems to have lost interest in them since the San Andres accords, not to say that they haven't suffered
that's literally the zapatistas.
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maybe, but that's not proof that they couldn't. plus, they absolutely have been through hell and back.
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If the US really gave a shit about getting rid of the Zapatistas, they'd have done so. They only have like 7,000 people in poorly armed militias, and their combined population isn't even half a million. What they've done is genuinely amazing, but their situation is not at all comparable to Cuba. They're just a handful of people living in small villages in a jungle of little geopolitical importance.
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they're still a stateless society, even if they don't self identify as anarchist. I never called the zapatistas anarchists, just stateless socialism.
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it seemed more to ask people to stop purity testing them. doesn't sound like they give a shit if someone criticizes China or Cuba or something.
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yeah you're right, when I say China should legalize gay marriage and be less shit to trans people, I'm actually doing colonialism.
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link the thread? idk what you're referring to specifically.
and yeah, you can critique imperialist attitudes, but the vast majority of the time, I see that just thrown out as an excuse to not have a discussion about the faults of ML countries. like, we should be able to have a discussion about the CCP's not great attitudes towards lgbtq people, or the working conditions of the working class in Vietnam, without that conversation being immediately shut down by someone throwing out bad faith accusations of justifying imperialism. one can point out the poor treatment of certain people in certain places without wanting to invade or sanction that place.
if we refuse to look at why or how things are bad in socialist projects across the world, we will never learn what went wrong to get to that point, and how we can address it in a future effort.
they have an entire country between them and the great satan
Cuba's got an ocean
Navies and air force don't exist.
air forces notoriously couldn't possibly fly over the zapatistas
Are you saying the US would invade Mexico just to fuck with the Zapatistas for some reason?
no I'm saying its silly to play a game of "which leftist place I'll never go to is having a harder time surviving"
But the case of the Zapatistas is legitimately different compared to Cuba and it is very relevant because the model the Zapatistas followed would never be applicable for them.
why wouldn't it be applicable?
a narrow strait between them and Florida, plus the US seems to have lost interest in them since the San Andres accords, not to say that they haven't suffered
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