I don't have one but this is definitely not a honey pot so go ahead and post

  • opposide [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Ugh. Reform is sometimes possible. Ew.

    Fuck me for saying this it feels disgusting

    • RedArmor [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      It’s a catch 22. Don’t reform and let the contradictions grow within capitalism. Give soc dem reforms and reestablish some belief in capitalism. It’s essentially the New Deal, which fdr credited as his greatest accomplishment “saving capitalism.”

      • opposide [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        I 100% agree but I don’t see those as effective reforms for socialism. The effective reforms are yet to come hopefully.

        I’m not saying reform is always the solution, I’m saying reform is possible in some circumstances

        • RedArmor [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Oh you mean socialist reforms? I mean it could. Brezhnev had to do some to try to reverse Khrushchev’s reforms.

          I assumed you meant reforms within capitalism like in our system.

          • opposide [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            Oh. Lol no.

            Capital controls policy in our hellworld so no meaningful reform will ever happen unless it’s good for somebody who controls capital.

            • RedArmor [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Goooood goood.

              I’ll agree with you but I think that if reforms take place they need to be aimed towards revolutionary ideology/theory. If that makes sense? Say, to correct a wrong party line that we have discovered a more correct, scientific approach towards socialism or that subject.

    • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Proselytizing for "non-reformist" reforms could be a good way to radicalize people. You demand something which is reasonable (such as medicare for all, defund the police) knowing full-well that the hegemonic powers will not allow it to pass because it would fundamentally alter the balance of power. People become personally invested in the campaign and once they are invested, they begin to notice all the subtle ways the hegemony attempts to crush it. It takes them through the paces of doing the liberalism thing in good faith only to see firsthand how futile it is. When the initiative fails, the people who were personally invested in it will now feel a personal animosity towards the people who went out of their way to ensure injustice prevailed. Those people will all become much more skeptical of the institutions and more prepared to adopt more radical methods in the future.

      The thing is, you don't want to bite off so much that you're signing ordinary people up for a suicide mission. You also don't want to ram up against a brick wall and teach everyone who got involved that participation in politics is futile. You still need to do a good materialist analysis to figure out what you should be campaigning for, and what you're up against.

      • JuneFall [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Lenin says that the vanguard and its supporters should be the most effective and good advocates for better conditions, this is to make people see and believe in them being interested in bettering the situation for the working class. That is to be combined with a clear line of communism and strife for revolt though, to show that only in communism will the contradictions completely absolved.

      • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        You also don’t want to ram up against a brick wall and teach everyone who got involved that participation in politics is futile.

        Remind you of anyone? :chapo:

  • wguid [any]
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    3 years ago

    Pushing for reform within a Capitalist system is preferable to posting gulag memes on Twitter

    • JuneFall [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Pushing for reform in Capitalism with gulag memes on Twitter is the synthesis.

      E.g. gulag landlords (start with landlords who evict during pandemics).

  • JuneFall [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    I don't think torture is good, should be avoided and also called out.

    (This is lib cause it is often part of human rights debates, however where was that factual human law in Guantanomo-torture sites and other black sites of the US imperialist empire over decades while the whole "civilized" world and the west looked at it don't bothering about it?)

  • Marsala [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    As long as small business owners still do most of the work in their company, they're to be left alone.

    As soon as they turn into Buck Strickland type business owners the deserve the wall in minecraft tho

  • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The Dems are still the lesser evil party, and third parties still aren't viable at the national level. They suck, though, and are essentially paid to do nothing. That's why we need to do better than the Chapo hosts and not throw all of our energy behind electoralism only to burn out and turn doomer. Don't get me wrong, I like :bernie: too, but he was never going to be the end-all be-all. They sounded like a straight-up Bernie cult during the primaries and it's no surprise that they burned out.

  • Torenico [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Reformism is not 100% wrong and we should use all methods available (From general elections, local elections to strikes and direct action against capitalists) to bring about our goals of establishing a truly free society.

  • Ryan_Holman [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    If I have to support one organization to get socialists elected, it would be DSA. There are far and away more successful than any other existing socialist or leftist organization or outright party.

    • Koa_lala [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Not to America at least. But also, most leftist think too much about the end goal and too little on how to get there. For materalists that's a strange thing to have problems with.

      If communism is on the top of a ladder you first need to climb every single step towards it. You can't teleport there.

  • vsda532 [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Most left wing organizing represents a regression from even electoralism as it's basically unpaid charity work which naturally favors the upper classes as they are the only ones who can work for free indefinitely and can use the org as resume building even if it fails in all stated goals. I also feel that broadly the left uses the concept of dismissing most things as "libshit" as an excuse to not engage with existing society. It's a way to cover up the conservative nature of the movement by saying we have radical ideology even if the level of political action is less radical than any other part of American politics.

  • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The minuscule material gains you get from voting for Democrats are generally worth the minuscule amount of time it takes to fill in a ballot and mail it back (although if you're getting voter suppression fucked that's different).