1000s of people, hundreds of screaming children all touching each other, and disdain for ppl who do wear it. Starting to become jokerfied asf tbh
1000s of people, hundreds of screaming children all touching each other, and disdain for ppl who do wear it. Starting to become jokerfied asf tbh
At some point I'm gonna flip the table and just join the deniers and start living life again. I mean, if there's no enforcement for absolute dickheads running around like that, and Florida, and everywhere else, what's the point?
They're out there breeding mutations while we're locking ourselves up, making massive fucking sacrifices.
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just wait a few months for the vaccine.
I agree but I’m also waiting for that strain that fully resists the vaccine and we have to wait 8 months for the new vaccine to be approved.
Vaccine modifications don't take nearly as long to be approved as new vaccines do, which is how we can have modified flu vaccines each year. Manufacturing may be a bit of an issue, but I don't know for sure.
Yeah unfortunately maybe that’s 8 months vs a year. plus this is mRNA which is uncharted in some ways so I’m slightly pessimistic. Forget about having to distribute and redose everyone.
Flu vaccines don't come every year because they can't be approved sooner, but because there is little need for them to come sooner than a year. Supposedly mRNA vaccines are actually a lot easier to modify, not harder. Pfizer said shifting to a new vaccine is gonna take them six weeks after the decision is taken all in all. I saw a Moderna representative say that actually coming up with the modified vaccine would only take them 2 days. That's probably hyperbolic but they're generally a good bit faster to tweak than the usual. The approval process definitely won't be a major sticking point, it's not very long usually even for less urgent stuff like the flu, I'm guessing they won't require large Phase III trials. So overall I think that if they actually take the decision it's gonna be something closer to 3 months than 8. How long will it take to mass manufacture them and redose people? Idk. Hopefully it's not gonna be as long as this time because production will have already undertaken the large necessary shift towards vaccines and the means to store, transport and administer them.
Vaccines aren't gonna prevent transmission, just reduce your chance of death in an ICU.*
The mutations are gonna keep coming.
I want to get to NZ tbh.
*Broscience, read the epidemiologists on twitter.
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1351686170044989442
I follow a person who explicitly called that guy out for fear mongering.
Got a link or anything?
https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout this person works on vaccines.
https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1360925299957981184
They are (apparently) an actual expert. Worked on the Moderna one I guess.
No disrespect to you - There's nothing persuasive or authoritative about that account apart from a grasp of the terminology.
Positivity for it's own sake has it's place, but we're beyond that place.
https://twitter.com/AltenbergLee/status/1361045466792685571
We're not though.
We're actively vaccinating the people who are most at risk. We're moving at an accelerating pace, the vaccines are very good.
We who?
What you're referring to is only part of the long term picture, which is what that account is getting called out for in the link I posted.
We who?
We need to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as we can while maintaining lockdowns. The variants don't change that they just make it more urgent.
Again, who is we? There is a world of countries out there with very different attitudes and access to vaccines.
The current and future variants absolutely change the global outlook. Again, you're focussing on one narrow aspect of the issue, as per the link I posted. Neither of us are qualified to take this discussion further, so I'm gonna leave it here tbh.
You say we and then give me shit for using the same word.
Here's the recent official narrative, the real situation is likely worse:
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/covid-19-risk-assessment-variants-vaccine-fourteenth-update-february-2021
"The B.1.1.7 variant appears to be more transmissible than the previously predominant circulating strains and may cause more severe infection. Several countries where the variant has become dominant have seen rapid increases in incidence. This has resulted in increased hospitalisations, overstretched health systems and excess mortality. B.1.351 is also associated with increased transmissibility. In addition, there is evidence pointing to the potential for reduced effectiveness for some of the COVID-19 vaccines with this variant."
"Due to the increased transmissibility, the evidence of increased severity and the potential for the existing licensed COVID-19 vaccines to be partially or significantly less effective against a variant of concern (VOC) combined with the high probability that the proportion of SARS-CoV-2 cases due to B.1.1.7 (and possibly also B.1.351 and P.1) will increase, the risk associated with further spread of the SARS-CoV-2 VOCs in the EU/EEA is currently assessed as high to very high for the overall population and very high for vulnerable individuals."
Can you people just stop talking about wes, my head hurts
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Said nothing like that. Fuck dooming. We are (or should be) in a place of pragmatism. Faux positivity & hoping things would just work out failed. There are clear and obvious successful national models. They should be followed at all costs, as they have in Vietnam, S Korea, China, NZ, Aus.
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It's absolutely still possible to implement the zero covid, track and trace strategies, at any time. It just takes political will and a month of hard lockdown, like those countries. Stop dooming :hahaha:
There are many examples globally of draconian national anti-pathogen measures, often for agricultural pathogens, that were introduced temporarily in the past, with police and military enforcement and zero protest from populations. It just takes political for enforcement which evaporated when the rich realized that they probably wouldn't die from this, it would be mostly the poor.
The point of this thread was that the practical result appears to be 50% of the population staying at home, talking about the next vaccine for the next variant, and 50% out living their lives, not giving a fuck, breeding the next variant. I'm starting to wonder why I'm in the former.
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No comrade, I was being polite and careful with my language, you came in hot with your post. If you can't take the heat...
We can still be constructive about this. The issue, following from the OP, is that at the very least the optics of half the population living as usual and breeding more virulent variants through their behaviours is unsustainable. The situation is getting worse and vaccines are not a panacea at all, realism is needed.
Here's the latest:
https://hexbear.net/post/84121/comment/912113
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This is the point of the thread. We are locked down and can do nothing IRL. Bye.
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You can do anything IRL that doesn't involve being inside* around several** other people for more than 15 minutes*** at a time.
* Assuming unventilated. ** Depending on distance and whether they're masked. *** Depending on whether they're masked and whether they're talking.
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They have a point tbh. The government isn't doing shit except lecturing us to take personal responsibility by doing difficult yet insufficient individual action. Why the fuck should we be the only ones sacrificing by doing the right thing? It's like neatly sorting your recycling while living next to a massive strip mine. Yeah, you still should do it I guess, but the same time the absolute futility has to drive you insane at some point.
I feel that way sometimes. I still live with my parents and they have been more cautious than anyone else i know (always wearing masks, only picking up carryout, staying out of stores). After 11 months of avoiding it my dad got it from a chud at his work who showed up sick and doesn't consistently wear a mask.
So now several of my family have it, while most of the fuckheads i know who ignore safety measures have avoided it just by chance.