Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff

The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


  • SoyViking [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    The western propaganda campaign seems a lot less effective this time as it did when Russia intervened in the Ukraine war. At least it seems so when viewed here from Denmark.

    Our government is virulently zionist and lavishes promises of support on the zionist entity, condemns the resistance as "terrorism" and conflates Danish Jews with Zionism. Not a single word is given to the suffering of Palestine. But it just doesn't seem to catch on. Back when Ukraine started people spontaneously put up Ukraine flags but the only people who wants to put up ZE flags are the usual cast of right ring yahoos who are always looking for culture war bullshit to "trigger the libs" with. No normal people visibly support the zionists.

    The media are different as well. You still only hear the rose-tinted propaganda from the Kiev regime while anything coming from Russia is reported as obvious lies. This is not the case now. The media are giving airtime to the zionist fascists but most of the coverage is centered on the nightmarish conditions the Zionists are inflicting on Palestine.

    Normal people doesn't buy the official line very enthusiastically. The most common approach seems to be to bothsides the whole thing, either in an obviously racist "people in warm countries are always fighting anyways" way or in a handwritinging liberal-pacifist way. This position is obviously still problematic but it is not the Berliner Sportpalast crying for total war response that the powers that be were hoping for.

    • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      I'd say the tenor on social media in the US is not nearly as supportive of Israel as it was of Ukraine. The prominence of the horrors Israel is inflicting are too big to hide, and gets decent coverage on some news sources. The first few days after Hamas's attacks were hyper supportive of Israel, totally uncritical, but that didn't last long.

      • Dessa [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        Israel lost all sense of media strategy and acted based on pure rage/fear. If they had instead made a point to "root out the 'terrorists'" and held candlelight vigils to play for sympathy, we'd probably have a different story playing out.

        Instead, it's hard to root for the guys gleefully bombing ambulances and slaughtering children by the hundreds.

        • 2Password2Remember [he/him]
          ·
          1 year ago

          mfw the zionists are too satanically racist even for amerikkkan liberals' tastes

          Death to America

        • ziggurter [he/him, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          It's also much harder to hide things in a literal sense. Ukraine is huge. Gaza is tiny and (literally) contained. When someone flattens a hospital in Gaza, it's pretty obvious that it happened and who had the capability to do it.

    • fever [he/him]
      ·
      1 year ago

      "people in warm countries are always fighting anyways"

      wholesome

    • Fishroot [none/use name]
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      edit-2
      1 year ago

      I think there is a limit in the propaganda when you have propagandize the evil Russians having the power to flatten Ukrainian buildings and flip it around and portray the Israelies who also have the power to flatten Palestinian buildings is now the good guy (tm)

      Also Iraq War still haunt people's memory. Regardless of the bleakness of the world, I still have Faith in most people are not as memory holed as we think and that people still has gut instinct that people with zero means to defend themselves are not terrorists

      • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        The angriest anti-Iraq war people I know are working class conservatives* of one stripe or another. In no small part because they love the troops and are disgusted that we sent troops to die on the basis of a blatant lie about WMDs.

        Plus, for all the other racism, killing a million people for oil is hard to justify. Especially when kids were caught as 'collateral damage'. Racists might not want immigrants in 'their' country but if they stay in 'their own' country, they might even be deserving of compassion. The same working class conservatives also seem to be sympathetic to Palestine because Israel's response echoes what the west did to Baghdad. You're right that people don't forget.

        This could be why the media was a lot vaguer e.g. when it came to Libya. In and out, and don't make a fuss. They realised their mistake with trying to come off too much as the good guys in Iraq. It's easy to backfire. But the shots already been fired and people don't like to be duped twice. Or in the words of a wise man, 'fool me once… I won't be fooled again'.

        (Russia/Ukraine was different because the media/politicians could fall back on a century or more of anti-Russian propaganda.)

        I've been reading Seymour Hersh's memoir. It's pretty good. He explains how he was able to get so many scoops: there are at least two types of official, those who are loyal to their country/station and those who are loyal to the government/party. Someone could be the most rabid general in prosecuting war but if they're loyal to the constitution and their soldiers, they will actively, if clandestinely, rebel against their orders. If that fails, they'll speak to any journalist who asks.

        This could bode well for Palestine because generals like this, if any are in play, aren't going to want to send their men against resistance groups who are so well organised and disciplined. Which is to say, it's not just ordinary people we can have faith in; we can also trust in a modicum of self preservation on behalf of the military, who will not be planning strategies and tactics on the basis of the propaganda version of intelligence.

        • Fishroot [none/use name]
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          1 year ago

          The angriest anti-Iraq war people I know are working class conservatives* of one stripe or another. In no small part because they love the troops and are disgusted that we sent troops to die on the basis of a blatant lie about WMDs.

          I think it is easy to think that they can walk into Iraq and kill all the savages (tm) there but the appetite for bloodlust is decreasing when the local people who have a stake in their game fights back and the mood sours pretty fast when your troops comes back in body bags or with limbs missing.

          This is not so different from Soviet-afghan war or the Ukraine-Russian conflicts

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      "people in warm countries"

      So eventually after 10,000s of these European fucks die in a heatwave during the summer what will be next dogwhistle?

      "Ah you see there is this thing called the equator line..."

    • VILenin [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Our government is virulently zionist and lavishes promises of support on the zionist entity, condemns the resistance as "terrorism" and conflates Danish Jews with Zionism.

      Without fail, every time some European country licks zionist boot it's to conceal their deep history of nazi collaboration. And also because they have no sovereignty and are America's loyal dogs

    • newmou [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Yeah plus if Dems had been shouting "Palestine-gate!!!!" for 7 years maybe it'd take a little more lol

      • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        Good point. It's another reason to be skeptical of the 'the US planned this as a get out of Ukraine card' crowd. Poor planning if that was the case. The consent manufacturing has been far too slap dash; it feels desperate (ban this, ban that) and reactive.

    • Sopje
      ·
      1 year ago

      I’m also pretty impressed by Dutch media for covering the situation in Palestine reasonably well. The first day of the attacks it was pretty bad, but after a day or two the people protesting against Israel and the bombings on Gaza got a lot of attention.

      Also personally I don’t really care about the hospital situation. I don’t trust any of the reports right now as they’re only speculative and in my opinion it doesn’t change the situation at all if it wasn’t Israel. Dutch media are covering it as if it’s unknown (although speculation on it being from Palestine is increasing)