Iraq dominated the headlines throughout the fall of 2002 and into the winter of 2003. Public opinion on the wisdom of war, however, stabilized relatively early and slightly in favor of war. Gallup found that from August 2002 through early March 2003 the share of Americans favoring war hovered in a relatively narrow range between a low of 52 percent and a high of 59 percent. By contrast, the share of the public opposed to war fluctuated between 35 percent and 43 percent.
Looks like Americans are even more happy with murdering people if its done by a puppet.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/rally-round-the-flag-opinion-in-the-united-states-before-and-after-the-iraq-war/
Americans don't believe in anything, half of them can barely read, if you asked them whether Israel was justified in butchering 800 children the poll would most likely flip with 70% saying no, if you asked whether Israel has a "right to self-defense" without any qualification, probably 90% would say yes
If you asked them if Israel has the right to genocide the Palestinians, 50% would say "not sure" and 50% would say no, but 40% would vote yes if it was a closed ballot referendum item
Americans are incoherent lotus eaters who think the height of political intellectualism is enlightened centrism with "remote drone bombing" characteristics
“Were IDF soldiers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold justified in entering a Hamas school? 85% says yes”
I don't think there is any "western" country where the people have any control over foreign policy. Japan elected a leader in 2012 that was going to prevent a US military base. Resigned a week before he was going to do it. Similar story in Australia. France elected a leader ~40 years ago I think who was going to dismantle french control in africa. Got elected and realized he had no power to do so, or at least said as much. The recent wars in the middle east were less popular in Europe, afaik, and yet they all stayed involved for exactly as long as the USA.
I think foreign policy, domestic policy, and economic system together are the state. Everything else is just window-dressing. Thats why we have no democratic control over it. The authority of the state is non-negotiable.
If you asked them whether "Israel" has a right to bomb the Palatinate to defend themselves against hummus they would answer yes.
This is what I'm talking about. Finally, someone understands on this website.
While arguing with a co-worker about how what Israel is doing to oppress the Palestinians and how they have been pushed to this point, he asked me if I thought the Holocaust actually happened. It is beyond their comprehension that anyone would have any other opinion and it's easier to just assume I'm some weird conspiracy theorist.
I got the same thing. I was talking about how Israel has historically treated Palestinians and was asked if I was a Holocaust denier.
They couldn't comprehend how I thought Israel was capable of doing those things when the Jewish people were victims themselves not too long ago.
I don't get the logic.
Logic is pretty simple
really.You’re describing to them the genocide of the Palestinian people. On some level at least they must understand that they’re the genocide deniers here. But that can’t be so, they’re the main character! So clearly you’re the one denying genocide. QED
5% would be incredibly impressive considering what I know about Americans
majority of americans support whatever they are told to support by the president and mass media
i agree with this take. i know a lot of otherwise successful and clever people who see corporate media coverage of live ongoing events and tacitly accept the initial framing. not everyone looks at the messaging of our institutions in a default state of hypervigilance. i understand it. people want to trust institutions. it is exhausting to internalize how absolutely decayed and full of shit the US' are. if you type a few words into the big corporate search engine the top hits are all to the giant media outlets, and they are lock step on program. or, worse, just turn on the noisy live broadcast box, the people in nice clothes / speaking in even tones are saying the things and showing the pictures that support the easily digestible narrative that is repeated at the top, middle and bottom of every hour.
web 2.0 has degraded and complicated this formerly clear and simple landscape, but most people still find the big outlets for ongoing stories. because there is no clear answer to the question, "where do you get your news, who do you trust?" when relatives ask me what i read to cultivate my critical perspective. people who don't have time to figure out what is going on see the videos, hear the calm analysis, and internalize its logic.
also, jesus... the way the question and responses were framed was trying to create the biggest possible number for "support". this whole thing is juked six ways from sunday. which comes across as desperate.
Remember who they are polling, who answers their landlines, who picks up a phone from 'unknown'
It's boomers, folks
The CNN poll surveyed 1,003 adults via text message, and only surveyed adults with mobile phones. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.0 percentage points.
It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.0 percentage points.
according to whom tho
Ok cool. 1000 people who will answer a text message from unknown. Would you? Again, I know literally zero people who support Israel in this conflict. Got friends up and down the age spectrum, in and outside of the states.
So my poll says 100% of everyone I know wants this shit to end. Facebook, Twitter, insta, all on the same page here.
Somehow American polls always seem to be, ahem, skewed.
Look at those 538 predictions based on 'polling data' on the last several elections.
So my poll says 100% of everyone I know wants this shit to end. Facebook, Twitter, insta, all on the same page here.
This is not how statistics works
Maybe not but I don't see anything in their brief methodology section quoted above to indicate it wasn't a random sample of mobile phone users. What makes you think it wasn't?
A random sample of mobile phone users isn't a random sample, because you're only going to get the people who answer texts from strangers.
It's called "non-response bias" and it's a huge part of the reason political polling doesn't work. It's strong enough to render almost any sample from a phone survey non-representative.
Yeah I understand that there's a difference between the sampled population and the actual population of interest, but you can't discount the results of on account of that unless you can meaningfully show a non-zero covariance between the response variable and likelihood of non-response.
By all means it's a caveat but it doesn't make these results entirely non-informative.
In any case I cited iid conditions to explain why asking all their friends is certain to produce a useless estimate of the population proportion.
They know that asking their friends is useless. They were trying to make a point about sampling bias.
To me they were saying this numbers are totally made up.
A biased estimator is not a meaningless or non-informative estimator.
Look at it this way. When the US wants to prosecute a suspect in federal court, where do they generally hold the trials? In the whitest, most affluent part of Virginia. So the jury, while random, is still taken from a specific pool of people who lean a certain way politically.
If you think polling data isn't politically motivated and influenced by sample location, age, and the way the questions are formulated, you're deceiving yourself. What's that saying? There are small lies, big lies, and statistics.
18-34? Gen z adults are 18-25 so that's more millennial than zoomer. Also, smaller subgroups have a bigger margin of error, especially since they only polled 1000 people total (through texts people have to respond to from an unknown number nonetheless)
Not gonna happen, but I'd wanna see a poll on 18-22 yo college students, I'd like to think we're much less pro-Israel seeing we're a lot less likely to get news from mainstream mass media. Completely anecdotal: but I don't know a single person my age that supports Israel, everyone either supports Palestine or are neutral/ignorant. I've seen a ton of my mutuals on social media show support for Palestine too, none for Israel, and I've seen a ton of comments echoing the whole "no one our age supports Israel" sentiment too
So the 70% is combining "fully justified" and "partially justified," with the only other options being "not at all justified" or "not sure." There's no option for like "mostly unjustified" so lots of people who both sides the issue - or even favor Palestine! - are likely to say "partially justified," which is a very broad and vague statement.
Another headline you could write from this poll: "Only 27% of young people consider Israel's response justified - compared to 81% of seniors," or "50% of Americans think Israel's response was justified."
Polls are, as always, fake.
White college grads at 4% “not at all justified” But under <$50k leads with 12%
And then… liberals lead all political categories with 11%
labour aristocrats more likely to support isfake
i love it when things confirm my biases
Propagandists trotting out the fact that their propaganda worked, while fudging the results to make their propaganda look even more effective as a way to further their propaganda campaign.
The poll also shows that it's only 27% in ages 18-34. Every age range is less and less propagandized on Israel. So that's nice.
Boomers definitely have some type of brain poison on the Israel issue, they collectively all just are evil on this issue
Lead poisoning is the blight of the age and it isn't taken seriously enough
well the bad news is the covid affects the brain and will do as much if not more damage than lead brain as we let it rampage through
Boomers definitely have some type of brain poison on [all issues]
they are so plugged in it's fucking insane. even with the internet wildly accessible they still corral at the propaganda faucets and suck it straight down
We get to see what happens as a population continues to become more aware while their government continues to repeatedly do the wrong thing anyway.
27% is fucking insanely low. Americans are the most propagandized people on earth, Jesus fuck.
That's 27% of young people supporting Israel's response to the attacks. I'm actually shocked it's not higher.
I wonder if the news portraying palestinians as a turbo-raping, baby-beheading, anti-semetic zombie horde has anything to do with public opinion?
News be like: Surely they won't buy the 'enemy of the week #143 are also rapists' bit again are they?
Americans: YOU BETTER KEEP THAT SLOP COMING!
That is a very open ended question so it shouldn't be that surprising that the results are like this. What part of the response are we talking about? Are we talking about whether it is justified for Israel to respond at all? Are we talking about whether the severity of their response is warranted? Who the fuck knows! Probably a lot more of the people who interpret it as the first would agree with the poll.
The propaganda is how this will be presented as 70% of Americans being pro-Israel, which this poll does not demonstrate.
I hate these public opinion polls that: 1. Demonstrate how effective the prior waves of propaganda was were for informing the general public's opinion, and 2. Are themselves wielded by propagandists who show them off like "This is the popular/common opinion, so it must be [good], [correct],[normal], [popular], etc."
Thinking Israel is justified to respond at all is pro-Israel given the history of the nation
Somehow the dozens of UN doctors and international journalists that Israel had killed manage to disappear into the void of history.
i mean the Israeli military response is "kill and destroy everything".
