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"This is gonna get downvoted but..."
1000 upvotes, 3x gold, 2x platinum, 5x wholesomeI'm surprised that sub doesn't have an award made to look like a totenkompf yet
Yeah real unpopular opinion on reddit of all places :galaxy-brain:
Unpopular Opinion:
Reddit is an ideological cesspool and run by spooks.
Yeah I was thinking some sort of centrist too given how they think both sides are bad.
Dear Liberals,
if the Poles are so smart then why did their country keep getting invaded?Because the Germans (and Soviets) walked backwards into Poland so they thought they were leaving
That's the whole point. Calling them "Gulags" or "Labor/reeducation Camps" is intentionally meant to obfuscate the issue. Gulags are what you call prisons in countries where freedom is outlawed and everyone in them is locked up for purely made up political reasons. As opposed to our incredibly humane detention centers where you are only locked up for breaking the "laws" which are good and just and completely common sense in every way and not at all politically or financially motivated.
Also the USSR abolished the gulags, the USA has expanded prisons.
Less people died in gulags during the 30ish years they existed and were harsh than Americans have died due to lack of access to healthcare over the past 40 years lol
Capitalist subs on Reddit should be banned. It's as offensive and frightening as having fascist and Neo Nazis subs.
I know you'll downbear this, but it's unpopular and you're using that arrow as an "I disagree with the idea" button.
The Stars and Stripes is good to post on here, in one of the numerous capitalist subs. How's that OK? A symbol of oppression and mass murder. It doesn't matter if the original intent was good, or if some of Adam Smith's ideas were not that bad. Nobody sits there and talks about the positive side of Hitler or fascism and it's discounted as a failed ideology. Yet somehow, capitalism, which has killed trillions more people than fascism, is somehow perfectly OK. Why? It's a terrible, murderous failed ideology and the Stars and Stripes is just as offensive to survivors and victims of imperialist wars, colonial genocides and the police state as the swastika.
And all the apologists saying the imperialism is fake and propaganda, Obama and Washington didn't kill people. You're holocaust deniers. Literally. And should be treated with the contempt we give neo Nazis.
Nobody sits there and talks about the positive side of Hitler or fascism
R*dditors literally do this all the fucking time, you absolute dweeb.
Tons of comments in that thread alone saying fascism is better than communism
"Nobody sits there and discusses the positive sides of Hitler and Fascism ..." except for the comments section I read on unpopularopinions like 5 minutes ago when people were arguing Hitler was better for his country than Ho Chi Minh...
If you celebrate the people who freed Auschwitz you are LITERALLY a Holocaust denier
Quick shoutout to the 574,268,476,396 victims of Gommunism never forget 😢 😢 😢
https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/lrydgs/communist_subs_on_reddit_should_be_banned_its_as/gopkpth/
i've not seen someone defend kulaks before saying they're defending ukrainians. i wonder if they're literally defending kulaks or if they think kulak is like a ukrainian ethnicity or something
EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/lrydgs/communist_subs_on_reddit_should_be_banned_its_as/gop9v23/ so i was reading through the sources they gave to prove that stalin killed 40 million people, and holy shit this is ridiculous.
they give 3 different links 1 2 3 proving that 40 million people were killed by stalin.
The first link is the University of Hawaii. No sources and it only references itself. The figures they gave are just magnificent. "In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987" - a number even higher than the already discredited Black Book of Communism. Not to mention they claim that "61,000,000" people were killed in the Soviet Union. "Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these". Even worse, is somehow the USSR's now killed more than fucking China. Probably the first person in the world to say that. Again, not even the Black Book of Communism says that - the Black Book puts their death tolls at "as many as 25 million in the former Soviet Union, 65 million in China". The whole page is so out of whack. "Most of the deaths, perhaps around 39,000,000 are due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit thereto" and "As can be seen from the comparative total for terrorism, communists were much more discriminating in their killing overall, even to the extent in the Soviet Union, communist China, and Vietnam, at least, of using a quota system. Top officials would order local officials to kill a certain number of "enemies of the people," "rightists", or "tyrants"." Apparently there were literal quota systems for murders. No sources provided of course.
The next figure they give in the first source is this. I won't lie, I don't even know what this is trying to say. There are four labels and seven lines. At first I thought maybe it was meant to be China and the USSR, and showing their respective tolls, but that doesn't make sense because there's 7, not 8, of them. I know they're not all separate figures because then the total would add up to like 150 million or something - higher than the 110,000,000 they've claimed earlier. Here they say "As can be seen in the figure, communist forced labor was particularly deadly. It not only accounts for most deaths under communism, but is close to the world total, which also includes colonial forced labor deaths (as in German, Portuguese, and Spanish colonies)" so I'm guessing the bottom two lines both apply to "Camps/prisons" but why are they different values then? And why are there even two to begin with? I just literally don't understand this figure at all and I don't know if it's because I'm dumb or what so if someone understands it please explain it to me lol.
Second source is just an opinion piece on Chicago Tribune with zero sources provided which funnily enough doesn't say that Stalin killed 40 million, but actually says that communism overall killed 65 million. So I'm guessing the person who gave the link just read the headline and thought "65 million, oh and a picture of Stalin. They're saying that Stalin killed 65 million" or something like that. Throughout the rest of the article they don't mention anything else about death tolls so not really much else to say.
The last source they give is opens up by mentioning our short king's height and goes over a small list of different scholars "Most other estimates from reputed scholars and historians tend to range from between 20 and 60 million.". One of the sources openly admits to adding WW2 casualties into the Soviet death toll "Argumenti i Fakti estimated that the death toll directly attributable to Stalin’s rule amounted to some 20 million lives (on top of the estimated 20 million Soviet troops and civilians who perished in the Second World War), for a total tally of 40 million". Among the highly acclaimed historians in this list you can find: Robert Conquest, "In “Europe A History,” British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties" and Norman Davies a Welsh-Polish (we do not claim him lol) historian who claims "50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties". EXCLUDING WARTIME CASUALTIES! The 1926 Soviet census puts a total population of the USSR at 147,027,915. The 1959 Soviet census puts the total population at 208,826,650. An increase of 61,798,735. So including WW2 casualties in 30 years 77 million, half of the entire soviet population, died and then jumped straight back up to increase their population by 61 million.
"Communism sounds good in theory, but..."
- Someone who has never read so much as a pamphlet of political theory to influence their ideas and probably picked them up from American public school and Youtube crash-course videos
That's being pretty generous. Most people probably get their politics from 90s stand up.
Comedian tilts head towards audience
"When a bunch of people get together you know some dumb shit is about to happen"
Laugh track
This along with general anti communist talking points gives you takes like in the OP
I've been told, unironically that political theory doesnt matter cuz its just dudes trynna sound smart
its unpopular
Actually being an emotional child who doesn't know historical materialist critique of political economy is the standard model of liberal subject.
one of the most ridiculous things liberals do is stand around and pretend capitalist imperialism hasn't straight up genocided and I MEAN genocided countless people, just one example from the usa imperialism in the Philippines at the turn of the 20th century I had never learned about until recently:
Unable to cope with the guerrilla tactics of the Filipino revolutionaries, the U.S. Army decided to starve them into disintegration by destroying their social base — the Filipino population. The same genocidal “Population Regroupment” strategy (as the CIA calls it today) that settlers first used against the Indian nations was revived in the Philippines — and would be used again in Vietnam in our times. The general outlines of U.S. strategy called for destroying all organized social and economic life in guerrilla areas. Villages would be burned down, crops and livestock destroyed, diseases spread, the People killed or forced to evacuate as refugees. Large areas were declared as “free fire zones” in which all Filipinos were to be killed on sight. [167]
Of course, even Euro-Amerikan settlers needed some indoctrination in order to daily carry out such crimes. Indiscriminate killing, looting, and torture were publicly encouraged by the U.S. Army command. Amerikan reporters were invited to witness the daily torture sessions, in which Filipinos would be subjected to the “watercure” (having salt water pumped into their stomachs under pressure). The Boston Herald said:
“Our troops in the Philippines … look upon all Filipinos as of one race and condition, and being dark men, they are therefore n-slur, and entitled to all the contempt and harsh treatment administered by white overlords to the most inferior races.” [168]
U.S. Imperialism took the Philippines by literally turning whole regions into smoldering graveyards. U.S. Brig. Gen. James Bell, upon returning to the U.S. in 1901, said that his men had killed one out of every six Filipinos on the main island of Luzon (that would be some one million deaths just there). It is certain that at least 200,000 Filipinos died in the genocidal conquest. In Samar province, where the patriotic resistance to the U.S. invaders was extremely persistent, U.S. Gen. Jacob Smith ordered his troops to shoot every Filipino man, woman or child they could find “over ten” (years of age). [169]
sorry for the long quote but i felt each barbaric detail was necessary to paint the full picture
I've had neolibs get mad at me for saying that the Vietnam war was genocidal.
If you talked this way about the British Empire or USA you would probably be doxed