please do this.

https://twitter.com/AdyBarkan/status/1367204718712221698

  • congressbaseballfan [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    They are complicit tbh. I’ve been arguing this point on r political humor because a sadist, but they have the same power Manchin does

      • regul [any]
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        4 years ago

        But they kind of have less by virtue of having a conscience.

        Realistically, Joe Manchin is not beholden to either his conscience or his constituents. He does not respond to guilt. In that way he is identical to the Republicans. If you attempt to play "how dare you sir" chicken with him, you will lose, because there is nothing he will not dare.

        Bernie does not have this callousness.

        • jabrd [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Calling bullshit. It's nothing to do with the personalities, it's that Manchin absolutely can torpedo his political career because he'll be financially supported and rewarded for it so he won't care. Sanders would lose the meager political power he's scraped together on good will over a lifetime. It's the material conditions that determine this, one outcome has capital backing it and the other does not.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      4 years ago

      They are complicit tbh.

      It reminds me of the Cori Bush amendment to the Pelosi voter reform bill, where she tried to end felon disenfranchisement. Around 90 Dems voted for it. 120 Dems voted against it. All Republicans voted against it, just like they planned to vote against the Pelosi bill. This legislation will still probably just get strangled to death in the Senate.

      At a certain point, are Cori Bush and the progressive caucus complicit in the function of the federal government? Sure. Should they be stonewalling everything until they get their way on landmark issues? Absolutely.

      But do they have a real popular mandate necessary to win these reforms? No.

      We did that referendum during the '20 Dem Primary, and the consensus was "We'd rather Joe Biden win and do nothing than send the white PMCs to Trump's camp with Bernie on the top of the ballot." MSNBC continues to rule the Dems' world in the same way FOX rules the GOP. Dems have a majority only because Capital has chosen to back a marginal number of conserva-Dems over Tea Party Republicans. This is how the agents of Capital discipline the House and Senate. This is not how progressives can affect change in public policy.

      Dems are only complicit in so far as they provide electoralist leftists with hope for the future. They don't have any real power to set public policy. No more than Nader did in 2000. Or Humphrey did in 1968.

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    lol Ady Barkan, who endorsed both Warren and Pelosi against opponents who did support M4A

  • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Warren Democrats are people who call for bankers to be executed in Times Square and radical redistribution of wealth but then back someone who thinks public owned utilities are a communist front to destroy the free market.

  • Metalorg [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Dem soc democrats are effectively acting as recuperation of left energy. They should only act as a thorn in the side of parties captured by capital