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Does the connection between physically fit and healthy with masculinity not raise any alarm bells?
No?
Can people stop thinking patriarchy is apparently only a thing in America?
What would you think if some random boomer official started complaining about the feminization of boys and whining about how there have to be programs to toughen them up?
What do you think all that talk about masculinity is about? How does the school cultivate someone's masculinity and why do you think that's a good/healthy thing? No one cares about the "health" part, the issue is the masculinity thing, which is 100% a boomer response to the little fresh meats thing.
By this you mean one very brief, disconnected reference to ‘the cultivation of students “masculinity”’?
Do you think this whole story is just about this one report? This controversy is pretty old, it's been here again too.
Some people in the Party obviously do have issues with 小鲜肉 or whatever, but the MoE, in this report at least, aren’t entertaining them in the slightest.
Let's say you're correct about this. How acceptable do you think responding to a weird sexist rant by "yeah you make some good points about health and reinforcing masculinity" is exactly?
why are we even discussing it
Because someone brought it up. And I guess because some people seem to suddenly be 100% cool with it for some reason.
It doesn't matter to me if someone in China has a bad take on an issue, although it kinda does matter when it is the MoE of a country with billions of people. What matters more to me is the people who seem to agree with it.
The proposal came from the NPC, the MoE received the proposal and issued a response that talks exclusively about physical and health education, as well as the impact of celebrities on adolescent mental health.
The best interpretation I can make of this is that boomers in the NPC made a proposal which is problematic, and the MoE will not implement it and instead use it as an excuse to implement health programs.
Of course, it's problematic that this is an issue of contention, but there is no indication these kinds of reforms will have actual implementation, and the MoE's deflection is evidence otherwise.
But certainly, there is problematic discourse among old politicians in China.
I would say that the mistake is precisely in equating health and fitness with masculinity. They are neither the same nor opposites.
China is still a country, not a hivemind. I'm sure there's plenty of "Grr kids these days are too femme" old people just like everywhere else in the world.
Even if it's true, I never thought China to be some perfect place where every person and organization has perfectly progressive and forward views in the first place, so there's nothing for me to struggle about. Of course, that's assuming that the translation is even fair to the original intent. Which let's be honest, most corporate translators are never going to be wording things in good faith.
These post are always like this. Some one found the new "China bad" thing, and it is always treating us like a hivemind, it is a lie, it is badly translated. Frustrating.
China is a real place. We have real issue, and we are doing work about them. Please understand this and do not treat us this way.
What is it like? To be on this site and yet believe anything the bourgeois press prints about an adversary because it gives you -liberal- an excuse to indulge in your deeply held liberal beliefs that China is bad and oh joy an excuse for you to cancel them and go back to regarding them in left spaces as your colonized mind tells you that you should.
Amazingly China is not a dystopian hellscape where any deviation from the party line results in President Xi personally pressing the "explode the bomb embedded at the base of their neck" button. That is to say, people are free to have opinions that are wrong in fact. If you would stop reading the bourgeois lie-sheets that passes itself off as news in the west and instead read good Chinese news like Xinhua, Global Times, etc maybe you'd have a better view of things.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202103/1217450.shtml
Yeah, I agree. And I want to add that healthy models of masculinity would be great for transmasc people too. Too many times growing up, I was excluded by would-be masculine role models because I was AFAB.
Translate this page via Google Translate and tell me where gender comes in. It's a bullshit story based on mistranslations and bad reporting and I wish people would stop falling for it.
http://www.moe.gov.cn/jyb_xxgk/xxgk_jyta/jyta_jiaoshisi/202101/t20210128_511584.html
Unless Google Translate is making a mistake, I don't know any way to parse "Proposal on Preventing the Feminization of Male and Adolescents" that isn't gross as hell.
Maybe put two and two together and wonder why "preventing feminization" somehow only translates to helping ex-atheletes to find gym teacher positions, more physical health stuff, and something involving guidance counsellors and urbanization.
Would you be this gullible about it if this was some mayo boomer saying that?
I don't care about whatever scenario you cook up in your head. I care about this actual scenario where bourgeois media divides the left over woke fake news. Actual leftists don't just take bourgeois media at face value.
I'm aware what North America is like so I wouldn't be so dependant on bourgeois media to dictate my response to male chauvinism here. With China, unless it's from a trustworthy source it's not worth making a political line about. And it's only going to increase because naive nu-leftists fall for it every time.
Actual leftists don’t just take bourgeois media at face value.
You can read what they are saying lol.
In China there is a lot of fuss about "little fresh meats", it's a kind of trendy phrase for hot young dudes and the most popular male teen stars are kinda like kpop boys, often very feminine presenting etc. China is a very patriarchal society, so the predictable boomer response happened. It is a step in the wrong dimension, no need to break your brain trying to figure out how it is somehow completely cool because it isn't.
I am very confused about how this is supposed to contradict what I said. It literally talks about the controversy about masculinity.
有不少知名演员对小鲜肉现象予以批判，直指其缺乏男子气概、耍大牌等问题。
Many well-known actors have criticized the phenomenon of small fresh meat, pointing directly to their lack of masculinity and playing big names
...he's weird because he actually reads up on chinese pop culture?
...you do know most chinese would call you guys bananas, right?
Yeah I saw this article, it is entirely based upon mistranslating what the CPC actually said. Apparently they want to teach 'grit/perseverance' not 'masculinity.'
Because they're being taken seriously by the Chinese state.
Yeah, I'm sure thanking him for his reactionary bullshit and promising several policy changes specifically to address concerns over declining masculinity is just a bit.
It's not the specific policies that are problematic, it's the ideas behind them. Again, read the report. Some Boomer ranting about feminization gets a serious, concerned response from the MoE which is fully supportive of his concerns. They even pledge to research the matter to determine where this is coming from and how to respond.
If they wanted to do this in response to an actual health crisis, no one would mind, but it's about gender roles.
Yeah but the people obsessed over China Good or China Bad might at least have their pointless argument over something real instead of imaginary.
Literally any time a media site claims "China does X" its 90% likely to be malicious translation and attributing a minor part of the government as Mr Xi Jinpings shifty schemes.
Holy shit you're on a roll. From saying "bisexuals are the straights of the LGBT community" to this, please keep going mask off and showing everyone how much of a bigot you are.
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