We have to do it. Some of us have to do it in different ways. Doing small things where you can is all well and good but literally none of us are making a single impact in capitalism by making different choices about how we're forced to participate in it. Focus on tearing it down together rather than picking apart individual choices because those individual choices still result in participating in capitalism.

                  • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    My power is clean

                    :doubt:

                    does that make veganism good or bad now?

                    Learning to eat a more plant-based diet is good. People have an unhealthy relationship to food, especially meat.

                    But veganism is far from a healthy relationship to food.

                      • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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                        4 years ago

                        I have no idea why you think not eating animals is an unhealthy relationship with food.

                        Because wherever you live, there are meats that are significantly more ecological sound than any agricultural output.

                        Where I live, it's white-tailed deer & invasion carp.

                        Also, if your vegan diet involves shit like almonds, bananas, avocados, or really anything that isn't grown near you... lol

            • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
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              4 years ago

              None. The farms are already in place, all the produce is just fed to animals so you can get a tiny fraction of meat from it.

              • Infamousblt [any]
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                4 years ago

                Or it's burnt as fuel. Or it's just...left to rot on the field because farmers often can make more money doing that. We waste so much food because that's what's convenient for capital

              • VYKNIGHT [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                Do you people really think that people feed tomatoes and cucumbers and shit to farm animals? Most industrialized farms mainly produces shit like wheat, with the remaining stalks harvested for animal feed. Getting rid of animal husbandry is quite literally increase the carbon footprints of farms as each produce will be less efficiently used. Not to mention if everyone were to eat vegetables exclusively, you'll have to increase the farm capacity to make up for all the food that's no longer coming from unfarmable pastures.

                  • VYKNIGHT [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    Indeed, I feel like I'm wasting my effort here. These people's sole purpose is to get off of acting contrarian.

                    • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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                      4 years ago

                      Your proposal just creates a culture of hunting deer as pests instead of actually solving something long term

                      Pests refer to species that are destructive to a given agricultural or husbandry practice. I'm not talking about the deer population as a pest. I'm talking about the explosion in deer population and it's effect on North American ecosystems.

                      Long-term solution involves the centralized planning of agriculture, husbandry, hunting, and foraging to produce food for the local human population in concert with nature.

                      Neither hunting & eating more plant-based diets are long-term solutions by themselves.

                • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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                  4 years ago

                  ehhhh carbon footprints going up from not having giant fart-machines attached to them? stalks going to animal feed is a compelling point but it doesn't feel like a coup de grace. and to my knowledge 'regular' crops of corn get fed to animals, so its not an argument that applies to all farms

                  • VYKNIGHT [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    What do you suppose we do with agricultural remains then? Let it rot on the ground and produce more gasses? Burn them and produce gasses?

                    my knowledge ‘regular’ crops of corn get fed to animals, so its not an argument that applies to all farms

                    It's true, some crops like Sorghum are grown specifically for animals. But my point that let's not pretend that agriculture has no environmental issues in of itself.

    • AlexisOhanian [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      "Please, we humble southerners only wish to continue doing cruelty in peace. Why must the north intervene."

      • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        So is there some subset of vegans that are contractually obligated to equate not being a vegan with owning Black people as property or something.

        • AlexisOhanian [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Equating human cruelty with animal cruelty is good because they're similar in many ways, including the reluctance of liberals to speak up or take any inconvenience in their lives to end it.

          • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            I think vegans should stay in their lane and stop trying to equate simply not being vegan with slavery and ethnic cleansing.

            But it's also a false equivalence because slave owners own the means of production under slavery, whereas non-vegans do not own the means of producing meat.