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      • spiroagnew [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        yelling at people that we need universal health care has been extremely successful in the USA, let's take that same rhetoric to animal liberation

          • spiroagnew [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            the discourse changed away from yelling which is why it's popular

            turns out making people feel guilty about things doesn't inspire them to want to make change, but instead causes them to disengage

            • garbage [none/use name,he/him]
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              4 years ago

              it's not individual choice that keeps for profit health care going, of course CEOs and board members of insurance companies aren't going to feel guilty, they're sociopaths.

              your comparing apples to plastic bottles.

                • garbage [none/use name,he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  even if you're talking about revolution and protest it's still made up of individuals making a decision to do so.

                  • spiroagnew [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    you are misreading my arguments, and i'm disengaging from this as it's clear we will not resolve this contradiction in thought

        • J_Edbear_Hoover [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          Here's the thing, if your health and finances allow, you can make the choice to opt out of consuming animal products, not so for universal healthcare.

              • spiroagnew [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                that's the problem and reinforces why individual choice isn't effective. I hope you see this some day

                • J_Edbear_Hoover [she/her]
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                  4 years ago

                  What? Opting out of healthcare in the US just means I don't have healthcare. There is no critical mass of people opting out of health insurance which will force change. Opting out of consuming animal products, on the other hand, does produce an immediate impact.

                  • spiroagnew [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    a mass movement of people not having healthcare (a strike of sorts) would actually be pretty effective

        • garbage [none/use name,he/him]
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          4 years ago

          yeah, but enough people haven't individually made the choice to go on general strike, which is the way we actually get there.