https://twitter.com/RepAOC/status/1369799701915201545
This is literally the premise of the US, isn’t it: so many franchised immigrants — who tend to be upper middle class — want to steer its imperial machine toward punishing the peasants who dared to overthrow them back home. Ergo all the Iranian chuds, south Vietnamese chuds, Chinese chuds, Cuban chuds, Venezuelan chuds ... they all gather in the US and are granted easy access to the imperial project compared to actual victims of US expansionism.
Not surprising that (AOC’s “integrity” aside cuz who’s got the time to worry about that) US politicians need to pay fealty to these international chuds.
Point taken — I was thinking only about the regime-change and upper middle class vibes in a good part of the Iranian diaspora in the US, but yeah, the current regime of Iran isn't comparable to the rest mentioned here.
put it next to her pushing the Uyghur bullshit and "deferring to leadership" on the
BolivianVenezuelan coup attemptsMaybe it’s not worse, idk. The Bolivia thing at least seemed like some dolt in her staff set up a photo op with expats.
Her take on Venezuela eventually got pretty good. I don't think the "deferring to leadership" comment was anything more than a non-answer.
This Tibetan bullshit is obviously bad, but it doesn't really matter (she has very little control over U.S. foreign policy, and China can take care of itself better than, say, Venezuela) and she's shown the ability to develop better positions over time.
I seriously doubt she knows anything about South America or the inter-continental conflicts of China.
pls stop caring about what our dem soc mom says about foreign policy
Thank you mr. fed, but this is pretty gross what’s she’s doing. As soon as a more people start questioning the narrative on Xinjiang, she is trotted out to talk about Tibet
She’s a house rep, so we can support her without concern for her shitty foreign policy knowledge. The problem is that she keeps talking about things she either doesn’t understand, or worse - is getting fed deep state talking points through her staff (who fucking suck ever since she was forced to fire Chakribati)
Edit: Sorry if mr. fed isn’t an appropriate way to refer to you IRL, but the fed character I imagine in my mind is a mr. fed.
yeah it would be pretty hard as a congressperson to take salon blogs/twitter leftists/non US state media more seriously than deep state information directly for the source.
:sadness-abysmal:
She doesn’t have time to study these things, though. I don’t blame her. I know these things because I spend my time online or reading rather than doing my job lmao.
Her staff are setting up her speeches, media appearances, legislative efforts, everything. They are the ones who State, CIA, or spook NGOs are lobbying
If random assholes on a niche website know better an elected "leftist" politician with actual power has no excuse
Shit I didn’t remember that the cia was involved that early on.
Isn’t there a John Oliver show dedicated to the Dalai Lama and him not perhaps being on the up and up? Maybe I’m thinking of something else. I’m sure he does plenty of China bashing tho
Probably. The cursed libertarians are right every now and then
I think it's more so because of their atheism that they're skeptical of religious figures.
I swear the most obvious red flag for any of the squad members is the idea you'd have someone who is invested enough in politics to start interning out of highschool and run for office after growing up during the Bush admin yet has zero foreign policy of her own.
Think of how omnipresent support for U.S. imperialism is within the U.S., and how hard it is to break out of that:
- Start with a background media environment that is wall-to-wall propaganda: the national anthem at every sporting event, military flyovers, "salute to service" garbage, video games and movies that show the military as cool and good, etc.
- Oh, you follow the news? Corporate media is a tireless cheerleader for U.S. imperialism.
- Oh, you take some classes? High school largely teaches imperialism as a matter of fact, and even when college courses are more critical they rarely present alternatives (to modern imperialism, at least) as clearly better.
- What if you get really wonky and get your information from a bunch of think tanks/NGOs? Whole swaths of that world are nothing but propaganda mills.
- What if you get super wonky and get into the U.N., human rights law, etc.? Tons of that is used as a cudgel against states that don't adequately comply with imperialism, and of course that perspective is the minority one.
- You're 18 and you got some prestigious internship with a congressperson? They're not going to have a coherent anti-imperialist stance.
- You're 30 and running for a minor office? Your constituents, who grew up in the same imperialist environment you did, care far more about their immediate material conditions than they do about some "dictator" halfway around the world.
- You're 32 and you hold a minor office? You can't really do anything about imperialism, but if your comments deviate from imperialist orthodoxy too far it could cost you your job.
- Oh, you wholeheartedly embrace anti-imperialist leftist politics and go searching for good leftist opinions on the subject? You can find a wide variety of opinions, all from leftists, on all sorts of foreign policy issues.
It's incredibly difficult to come around to solid anti-imperialist politics in the belly of the imperial beast. The vast majority of the country does not hold these politics for these reasons, despite living through the Bush Administration.
It's not a red flag to lack anti-imperialist politics initially -- the red flag is if someone shows an unwillingness to learn.
I don't know about "zero foreign policy experience". Most likely it's just bad data.
There's mountains of revisionist history out in print dating back to the early 20th century. If everything you know about China comes from the KMT and Falun Gong, of course you're going to be against them.
Tibetan uprising day was a failed CIA backed insurgency that resulted in a lot of deaths and the self exile of the Dali Lama from Tibet. Fun thing for AOC to celebrate. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1997-01-26-9701270002-story.html
Fuedalism is just culture man. Lol.
Seriously though. This is so close to the argument that the confederacy wasn't about defending slavery, but defending southern "culture" and "way of life"
Looking at Tibetian religious artifacts in every other temple made from the skin and bones of serfs and slaves.
Radlib imperialists "Remember what the Chinamen took from you"
I dont get the "her community has X nationality of people so she has to do this" thing. We all know the class and leanings and reason of getting to america for many of the Vietnamese/Cuban/Venezuelan/Korean/Tibetian/chinese for the people making up these communities, or at the very least of their parents and grandparents. Yeah no shit on the topics of the political situation in their former countries they will be reactionary and on the wrong.
Her adopting and going along to push stances on these matters that are in line with these groups in her community doesnt make her any less reactionary and damaging to the actual correct stance and narrative to be had from the left
Tbh she would have these opinions either way cause socdems are gonna succdem in foreign policy and the state department would have been in her ear, but she probably wouldnt be feeling that spouting them out is some kind of moral imperative or fighting for her community or whatever
A number of Tibetans who escaped their feudal situation, but are ethnically Tibetan, did make it to the US since we wanted to take them in over the years. # not alll Tibetans lol.
Dunk on AOC shit for bad takes and also stop expecting her to be as far left as us. She’s not, she’s a moderate SocDem lol
the imperial butchering of China
Is this a realistic possibility? How much control would one House member have over this?
It's a bad thing, but she has so little control over foreign policy that it doesn't make sense to describe a bad take on Tibet as outweighing everything else she does. Describing her as "a malignancy who might also do nice things for her New York constituency on the side" is way off base when her foreign policy takes don't actually do anything to anyone.
I'm agreeing that it's bad. It's just not bad enough to make everything else she does a footnote.
This is a statement about something most people don't care about, on an issue she has no control over. If this matters, than surely her (vastly more common) statements in favor of stuff people do care about, and that she does have some input into -- Medicare for All, raising the minimum wage, public opinion on socialism in general -- matter far more.
It will hurt the true radicalization of many prospective leftists whose politics die in the sucdem stage because AOC goes on national TV to call me a tankie
this is what happens when the CIA is your boss.
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