Lucas didn't do the clones justice by treating them as nothing more than CGI cannon fodder in the prequel trilogy. An entire other team had to create more (and better) stories to explore the obvious moral dilemma of creating clone soldiers enslaved to the Republic's MIC.

  • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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    3 年前

    The whole idea of the clone wars being literal clones is so fucking stupid to begin with. It was a throw away line in ANH to do a little bit of world building and flesh out Obi Wan's character. This expanded universe bullshit where everything must be explained away and have a huge wookieepedia page pisses me off to no end.

    • zeal0telite [he/him,they/them]
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      3 年前

      It's never good fleshing out either.

      The line "many Bothans died to get us this information" is suddenly extrapolated to mean that Bothans are actually an entire race dedicated to spying and subterfuge. It can't just be that a Bothan rebel cell discovered where the plans were and got them. Nope. The whole race are now super spies because of this one throwaway line.

      It's like the Kessel Run. Probably a bullshit story made to hype up the Falcon, same as when he calls it the fastest ship in the Galaxy and stuff. Obi-Wan even rolls his eyes when Han Solo boasts about the ship. But nope. It actually is the fastest ship in the Galaxy and the Kessel Run is a super-duper dangerous space anomaly that's hard to navigate and Han Solo still managed to get through it in under 12 parsecs.

      All details and fun backstory will be overexplained until they completely lost any intrigue or mysticism about them whatsoever. Nothing can be left unexplained because that would require the audience to maybe think about it.

      Was anyone truly satisfied to learn that the Clone Wars were just a war where one side used clones? And the clones are just people?

      Was Carbonite freezing Han and the attempt with Luke just because the facility (that the characters just happened to go to, because Han just happened to know someone, who just happened to be in charge of the place nearest to where they already were when they were looking to hide and repair) just happened to have a piece of machinery that was theoretically capable of freezing a person for transportation but even then the bad guys seemed unsure of its safety? No actually. Everyone's carbon freezing everyone. Every bounty hunter just carbon freezes people. It's basically part of the job. Fucking stupid.

      • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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        3 年前

        Probably a bullshit story made to hype up the Falcon

        I remember reading that George Lucas actually just straight up said that it's complete nonsense and Han's just trying to pull one over on them because a sleezy dirtbag who just lies and makes up bullshit for profit.

        Was anyone truly satisfied to learn that the Clone Wars were just a war where one side used clones? And the clones are just people?

        I remember the old EU explanation (before the prequels were released) was that the Clone Wars were a jedi civil war between the actual jedi, and literally just clones of themselves who were made to be evil or some shit. I think there was even a book with the plot "oh look there's another jedi that survived the Clone Wars, oh no plot twist they're actually the clone of that jedi and they're just evil because it's literally in their blood to be evil."

        All details and fun backstory will be overexplained until they completely lost any intrigue or mysticism about them whatsoever. Nothing can be left unexplained because that would require the audience to maybe think about it.

        That, and the mediocre EU writers scrabbling for inspiration or connections to the canon stories, so they can just make up whatever bullshit story they want and be like "oh hey guys look, it's like the thing they said in the movie! Remember that? Please associate me with your enjoyment of the movie!"

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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        3 年前

        Have you heard of Zizek Splat? He's a Jontoo freeborn from Mazdacar 346 and his job is to wipe the memories of the droids owned by Kawangus Kurtzman Jantz the bounty hunter which were used to polish, with Woodoo Hide, the Carbonite frozen body of Las"s Anya, the ancient turquoise force user from Baalton'guer who fought in the War of Anger from ABV 15% to BBC 10".

      • ssjmarx [he/him]
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        3 年前

        My favorite one is the Rodians. We have here a race with one on screen character, who happens to be trying to cash in on Han's bounty, but who sucks at it and gets fried for his trouble. This is somehow extrapolated to mean that the Rodians are a legendary species of bounty hunters and their whole society revolves around the profession, somehow.

        But Star Wars being Star Wars, naturally they're not the only Legendary Bounty Hunter Aliens. There are like three races vying for the title.

      • Bedulge [he/him]
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        3 年前

        Brilliantly written. This is one of the biggest problems with the Star Wars EU, and it explains why the movie "Solo" was such forgettable trash.

        There's plenty of chances to tell a good story in that setting (KOTOR) but they just make such boring garbage instead.

    • Three_Magpies [he/him]
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      3 年前

      it makes me as angry as when somebody puts vegetables on my pizza! gak! keep those fucking vegetables away from me!