These narratives have real world consequences. Anytime you mention Xinjiang or that China is committing a "genocide" to liberals and conservatives it helps spread this shit. It helps reinforce Sinophobic narratives and will result in more deaths. Combat these lies and this propaganda where you see It. It is our moral duty to do so.
I think the Xinjiang shit is honestly an internal matter and even if they were doing what they are said to be doing, alas.
But Lol I will not just stand silent as China tries to buy up my countries infrastructure. Don't give a fuck if it's Americans, other Western countries, or China. External powers are never gonna do any thing for our benefit.
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China has the best deals right now for any country seeking investment. They promote unions and usually transfer ownership back to a state company after the investment plus some interest is made back. I don't see how that's bad compared to the IMF and their infinite perpetual 6x returns loans.
Firstly, lol if you think incompetent governments can pay shit back. I wouldn't trust my government to find their way out of a plastic bag. Secondly, I know the union talk. The union is so great that they won't lift a finger unless someone says something mean. I did better union by myself by going into the office of a manager from the company, pointing a gun at his head and telling him that unless he fixes something that was an oversight, he and his whole family can find themselves in a lake.
IMF is trash, that's not a given anyway.
The "paying back" part of the Chinese deals is almost always a profit sharing scheme though. Like look at their recent mine and port deals. They maintain a 51% share of profits until the investment is paid off plus a bit, then they transfer full ownership to the state company. At that point it's on you and the local government structure and China isn't involved anymore. Unlike Western loans that create dependence and permanent debt...
And I'm sure the local unions are corrupt as fuck, but again, that's on you and not China...or are they supposed to show up with guns and kill your leaders? I don't really see how that's less imperialist than developing infrastructure and creating the basic structures necessary for a labor movement.
I want my country to put into effect the same rules that China has without them whining that's it's some anti-Chinese conspiracy. At least with Western loans they are outright that they are trying to fuck you.
I don't see your point. Do you think no investment is better? Or China should only do charitable investment? Or that China should be exporting revolution like the Soviets did?
Lol I'll give you an example. China wanted to build a highway in our country. They started it, didn't even want to hire local workers and the ones they did they tried to not pay them or pay way under the minimum wage. Then they dipped halfway through the project so the country had to find another company to finish the project. Years wasted, money wasted.
Damn. So China approached the government and building the highway, then abandoned it halfway? Or did the government contract the highway a Chinese construction company that failed to complete the project?
Either way, the minimum wage stuff is bad. That seems very out of the ordinary though. At least from most of the projects I've read about.
The not hiring local workers does sound in line with what I've heard in terms of reasonable criticism or even defenders within the region as well.
The answer is no, China is not doing that, because that isn’t what they are doing in any country.
It's not even debt-trap. I don't want China, much less any other country to own my countries infrastructure or industries. Oh China doesn't allow foreign companies to invest in certain important industries, cool, then we shall follow their example. China doesn't allow foreigners to own property in China, cool, we should do the same.
Ya dude, the state owned company that is trying to buy shit is definitely not tied to the Chinese government. Just ordinary Chinese citizens who happen to work for a state-owned company. Like I said, China doesn't give my countries citizens any rights while in China, we shouldn't give any foreigners that right either. Free market be damned.
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Ya dude, one residential property, while we are supposed to allow their citizens to be able to buy up as many properties as they want. They have rules for their own citizens and have rules for foreigners. I know the game, too bad our government is too much of a spineless being to put rules on foreigners and non-citizens. Like I said, not anti-China, I put them into the same category as any other foreign entity, not for my countries best interest.
Plus rights are some delusional shit people like to believe in, like magic. We were tricked into believing we are ever truly free, like we aren't all at the whim of the government blowing your head off at any moment.
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Well, a lot of China is lending money to countries but the people they are lending it to aren't exactly model patriots. Many are part of the landlord ecosystem with peasants, and much of that infrastructure is just to move product and has nothing or little to do with overcrowded cities and their damned traffic. Secondly, I take a lot of criticism from citizens from ASEAN countries with a grain of salt. Sure, there are tons of undocumented migrants from China living there, but there is hardly a hostile takeover there that some of those citizens claim. There's tons of sinophobia in ASEAN countries and they will make an inch into a mile with whatever China does. I'm less aware of Africa-China relations, so I have nothing to say for that situation.
I think if you are going to criticize China I think you should be long winded about it. The fact that China has gotten so many people out of poverty and they are spreading soft power with great deals on loans with the global majority is something they should be proud about. Meanwhile, America has bombed so many places and can't even solve its pandemic issues. At least China cancelled all the interest in certain Ethiopian infrastructure products. Make sure that people who criticize China aren't just projecting in bad faith.
In my home country it’s the ‘left’ that (successfully) nationalised a lot of industries that wants to take China’s loans to build infrastructure. While the right who privatised basically everything when they got the chance are anti China.
What’s the situation there, just curious?
You can try to explain this to the westerners here lol, they never gave a fuck when i told them they're knowingly funneling money to fash oligarchs in Europe.