the study's age range was 10-24.
Article isnt even about video games
https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1717632465051758652
As long as there is remembrance of Stalin before the sexual act, its fine
yeah it was always awkward as fuck growing up enjoying a good fast-paced flick with the fam and then suddenly there's just two minutes of darkness, lotioned skin, whispery plosives, breathy vowels, and macaroni mixing sounds, all with the mic volume WAY THE FUCK UP versus other scenes where you can't even hear people talk under the soundtrack. And then everyone has to sit there and act like it isn't happening, or race to be the first one to get up and go pee, and this was back before everyone had smartphones to distract themselves with.
Do not. I repeat. DO NOT let your brother choose The Devil’s Advocate for movie night at the family reunion.
its going to stay that way for most due to how astronomically high housing is in this shit country
What they really need is a way to stop parents from walking in the EXACT MOMENT when a sex scene plays
Sex scenes in games and movies are just always awkward. I can't think of a time when it's actually added to the narrative. Just makes it uncomfortable to watch with other people.
Seems like a tool to look more “adult”
Kinda like a middle schooler who thinks saying “fuck” every other word makes them cool
I can't think of a time when it's actually added to the narrative
watch a decently made movie then. citing people failing to successfully use a creative tool as a reason it shouldn't exist is ridiculous
american psycho spoilers
I think the sex scenes (and also Bateman just doing stuff with the TV playing porn in the background) make the audience understand how utterly fucked he is. They make it explicit that (a) he desires to be seen as someone who's hot and enjoying sex and whatever, e.g. when he looks at himself flexing in the mirror and how he films everything (b) what he gets off on is absolute domination over women, through sex or torture or murder. Same thing for him. The viewer is supposed to realize that Bateman's aberrant sexual desires, being as unremarkable to the rest of his society as his murders, are actually something society expects / encourages. I don't think you could do this nearly as well without showing it.
You could argue that these aren't "sex scenes" in the connotative way that prudes use it, since they're ghastly and not titillating. For my part I think that people having sex is a sex scene.
Your level of upset tickles me. I curse you so that you may never see a sex scene ever again! Moohahahhaha
Same. I often fast forward through them especially when they're too long.
honestly the issue I have with sex scenes isn't that they exist per se, it's that there's almost always insufficient time to really set up the appropriate level of emotional connection that makes it not awkward. a movie of ~2 hours length certainly isn't enough time; you can put a timeskip saying "1 month later" on the screen but that's only in-universe, it doesn't make me feel any better. in games it's a little better as they can be longer, but not all of a game's, say, 60-80 hour runtime (in the case of games like Baldur's Gate 3) is gonna be dialogue and relationship-building, most of it's gonna be defeating enemies or doing other stuff.
and also real flirting can be hard to depict in games with approval systems - like, I say something that you agree with enough times in conversations and you suddenly wanna get in my pants? where did that come from? feels very "press correct button X times to receive sex," though fundamentally a video game cannot be any other way because, well, that's how code works. I have seen few games (at least ones that aren't explicitly a romance game as opposed to a game that happens to contain romance) displaying a genuine building of attraction over time as opposed to a sudden shift from "we did a great job saving those guys and defeating the monsters. +1 to Approval" and then 5 seconds later "ohoho I can feel the electricity between us, I've never felt this way before...". those that do have those appropriate arcs tend to already have already very suave, charismatic, handsome men like Ezio Auditore from Assassin's Creed and his romance with... everybody, but especially Sforza or whatever her name was.
but again, I am generally pro-sex scene even if the implementations sometimes (often?) aren't done very well imo
Largely how i feel about it. I'm not against the concept of sex in media its just the implementation generally feels inauthentic and a bit cringe. I can understand that its hard to do right or use effectively but that doesn't mean I'm some puritanical mormon if I think most of them are just shit and cringe to watch.
Its not like i have the same reaction if I see people irl making out or expressing love openly its just the fake depiction in media that bothers me somewhat.
Interesting that some in this thread are coming to great assumptions of people over something like this though i find that odd.
ITT: people acting like it's still the eighties and every single film has tits awkwardly shoved into it.
Sex is almost completely absent from major motion pictures, and in the smaller films where it still shows up it's almost never titillating (that doesn't automatically mean that it's tasteful or good). Two decades ago there was serious market demand for sex scenes in film, but that was before every single person had an infinite porn tap in their pocket at all times.
What the fuck are these people watching? Euphoria maybe? Game of Thrones?
I want more sex in my media. Every video game, TV show and movie can only be improved by graphic, preferably gay sex
I don't watch movies i just catch prestige TV by being in the room while it's on. Maybe it's a choice made by the people watching them but it seems like every single TV show has a sex scene every other episode. If not a R scene
Maybe if you’re watching HBO exclusively or something about serial killers
"on screen" would include music videos and ads to me. Which both have more sex than I care to see
Just to rate them on a 15 dimension spectrum. Sexuality of course being one of the dimensions
We need to return to Paul Verhoeven where the movie is an excuse to show 10 sex scenes but also antifascist
Paul Verhoeven movies are exactly the kind of art the scolds in this thread hate. They would never allow Showgirls to be made if they were in charge
I had a discussion with somebody on this site and they claimed that leftists should never create satire because Starship Troopers was satire and fascists mis-interpreted it.
That's literally what the lanyard dork media class said when they gave Starship Troopers negative reviews on its release, before it became a cult classic. That it was praising fascist ideology despite it being clearly satirical.
Media literacy, and literacy in general, is going down the toilet. TV was a mistake. The internet was a mistake. Smartphones were a mistake.
"Springtimes are a good thing, and you want Hitler to have one???"
That is the opposite. Showgirls is the perfect example. Fun sexy stuff happens in thst movie and it makes sense. The stuff people don't like is like objectifing women by default in every action movie. There is a time and a place for sexy fun and it is simply not every single time.
You just said in another comment that “we have 2 choices, too much sex or none so we should ban it”
Lmao gtfo here trying to act all buddy buddy with verhoeven and cool and hip. You are a puritanical censor and enemy of art. You are the parents from footloose but with a leftoid anti-life flavor instead of a rightoid one
I belive I said too much bad sex.If they did the sex well it'd be diffrent. Instead it is that four quadrant bullahit that Hollywood has to shoehorn into every movie. There have been action movies where our had hero had rad sex and it was cool. We just don't make those anymore. It isn't the sex. It is that it is forced and exploitative that people don't like. Like for 90% of us against if instead of the given sex scene is was an actress age appropriate for our here being pleasured that would go a long way to fixing things
You are the arbiter of good and bad sex, you will be the one to decree which movies are allowed and which are forbidden. Your tastes are supreme and should override the artists. You can advocate for more tasteful and better sex in movies, but you cannot just call for blanket bans. But people in here aren’t complaining about the sex being exploitative for the most part, they are complaining about it existing and say no film in history has had a good sex scene. That’s their personal hang ups with sex and nothing to do with what standards should be
You are a puritan megalomaniac in disguise.
I want less tasteful sex. I am the opposite. Good sex tends towards messy and weird. The overly clean polished stuff is sex cleaned up for mass market appeal. The artists are all traumatized and on drugs. I know they are into weird shit like me. The studio for reasons of capitlaism is overriding their artistic vision and that is what I don't like.
"capitalism is overriding their artistic vision"
and prudes who say all sex scenes are bad, artistic censorship of sexual content is a touchy subject for a real historical reason. the opposite force doesn't really exist beyond individual desires. there's no concerned catholic mother associations to add sex to movies.
You do understand that is specifically not my objection yeah?
Showgirls is the perfect example. Fun sexy stuff happens in thst movie and it makes sense.
What? Showgirls is a movie that makes gratuitous nudity tedious and uninteresting, and I thought that was the point, that the whole plot arc is that the commodification and exploitation of women's bodies is gross and bad with the main character's growth over the story being that she realizes that even the most "glamorous" form of that sucks and is bad and that literally being a violent lumpen drifter is a better thing than taking part in it?
Yes, that is the point. It does artistically intresting things.
I want more casual sex in media, but less sexualization of everything.
exactly, there's a way to do sex positivity without turning everything into almost-softcore-porn for 3 minutes
obviously there are many movies with pointless sex scenes that should have been cut or changef, but also some movies would work significantly less well without them
a lot of people have sex, and for many it's a big part of life and their relationships. anything that important irl should be represented in art
Which movie do you think has most benefited from a sex scene?
It Follows. The sex being so awkward and uncomfortable made that movies point better than any dialogue could have
Considering what that movie is about I had kinda forgotten there were sex scenes.
???
The entire movie is about sex and fear of the social repercussions of sex
Second for second there's more running away from an invisible monster than sex so yeah
Its just a regular monster movie with one weird trick. Like smile or birdbox
Also it's not about STDs bc that's not how STDs work.
That invisible monster represents the negative repercussions of sex perceived from a teenager
No it does not. It could be hamfisted into being an std but you can't cure aids by setting up a zany swimming pool trap or fucking it away.
Its a dumb monster movie with sex sloppily laid on top. So sloppily that one could reasonably conclude it's pointlessly gratuitous.
no that's really silly the monsters in a movie can at once be metaphors and also literal monsters within the narrative in dracula the vampire both represents a horror from the old world come into the new and a scary dude that eats people
it's called a story having themes
Someone who doesn't recognize this has no business saying anything about horror art and what is good and what isn't
Guy looking at dracula: damn an empire teetering at the apex of its power is anxious about the horrors of colonialism being turned inward, and the hidden debauchery that undergirds a puritanical society!
The true point arcing above his head: damn eastern Europeans are weird
Yeah it follows has one theme executed poorly. It has one metaphor also executed poorly. Its a facil movie and a typical monster movie shot in a somewhat art house style. I really think its the style that makes people see a depth that is just not present.
no it doesn't only have one theme we're just only talking about one of the themes right now. Alcoholism and addiction are also themes of the movie for example
and your idea of the metaphor being executed poorly seems to be that the film also treats the in narrative real monster as a real monster as well as a metaphor
What's the Scooby doo swimming pool trap ment to represent?
Everything has to be didactic and literal or it doesn’t exist to STEM brains
The movie was bad. It is bad art. There is good art but it follows ain't it. Not to mention it was produced in the pursuit of profit so it is also soulless as well as bad.
Just because you didn't understand it doesn't mean that its bad. Just because it wasn't made for $20 by a bunch of film students doesn't make it soulless. You not liking it is fine but you're not the arbiter of taste
not only are they the arbiter of taste, they are the arbiter of meaning and the arbiter of content
I understand it fine.
Let's say it is about the consequences of sex. What are those exactly. Pregnancy, loss of financial opportunity, loss of autonomy, STDs, a lasting responsiblty , all of these things could have been explored in fun and intrestimg ways but, what did we get? A by the numbers monster movie with a somewhat novel twist. Like
Another of the consequences of sex for a young woman is that peoples attitudes about you may change, even people close to you. Most notably embodied by her simp friend who still wants to have sex with her and is jealous of those that do, despite knowing it means his death, and who is ultimately disillusioned when they do because its meaningless and perfunctory for both of them.
The movie chose to convey this in the form of an unstoppable monster that posseses people because its a monster movie. Again, you don't have to like it. Not every movie appeals to every person but its not like we're talking about Halloween 3 here. A lot of people like that movie for a reason
I would also say the "it" that follows, the monster, is an embodiment of contradictory social pressures that follows women in the contemporary world. The pressure by men to have sex (and the rewards that come when you give in to that pressure) vs. the opposing social force condemning you for being a sl*t, saying you are just sleeping your way up catching up to you. This is represented by the chain of sex, it both damns and then saves you. The first person you fuck damns you (you lose your virginity) and the second person you fuck saves you, but at the expense of you damning them. They become the "sl-t" that society chases instead, the lowest rung in the totem pole.
I think it's a quite poignant and thoughtful criticism and exploration and has a lot more nuance than the user above gives credit for.
The movie chose to convey this in the form of an unstoppable monster that posseses people because its a monster movie.
The movie conveys this as events in the movie. The monster is independent of this and poorly represents or stands in for anything deeper than antagonist. The movie is fine I don't dislike it but it is so overhyped.
They could also be ND my dude. I'm autistic and also struggle a lot with this
Do you try to ban content you don’t understand? That’s the real rub here from the puritanicals in this thread, they don’t just want some help parsing difficult themes they want them gone
That its easier to deal with trauma if you face it with your friends?
man that's tough. fire walk with me for sure, but for sex scenes that aren't terrifying sexual assault scenes maybe portrait of a lady on fire? i can think of a few others, the handmaiden, moonlight, etc. in general, i think most sex scenes in otherwise good movies don't bring down the quality of the movie as long as it makes sense for the characters. people fuck! it happens! if done artfully it can enhance your understanding of the characters, and even if not handled perfectly as long as it makes sense it takes a decent amount to get too gratuitous for me
that's not to say i'm cool with all horny bullshit in movies or tv, there's so much anime out there that needs to have tits shoved awkwardly on screen regularly. but when an anime reads like the creators know what sex is then it doesn't bug me that much. chainsaw man is horny but i don't mind it. chainsaw man is made better by how it handles its horniness imo. in general as long as sexuality is handled with care it's no worse than any other element that could show up in a film
also a lot of people act like there are tons of movies with sex in them, and that just isn't the case. i mean, not anymore at least. they show up, but the vast majority of hollywood blockbusters are completely sexless
You could make this point about any kind of scene in a movie.
I just realized this a is a hot dog a sandwich discourse and regret looking at it.
i mean yeah. i just don't think sex scenes are fundamentally that different from non-sex scenes, though clearly some people do
The Gina Davis egg laying scene afterwards was killer.
if a tv show counts, there's that one scene in the boys and why even watch any of it if they're gonna cut the shrinking guy doing that?
i think people are more interested in seeing, you know, actual functioning and real relationships. not bullshit. sex is a very small part of any real relationship
But sex scenes are a very small part of media. Unless you’re game of thrones and it’s thrown in your face every 5 seconds because the producers are so perverted they made the actresses refuse to be nude in future seasons.
But the point is that people freak out about sex are usually more annoying than the ones who get horny over a 5 second flash of a boob on screen
even game of thrones was still 95% not boobs, don't know why people act like it was only sex. it was mostly bearded guys talking and riding horses and shit.
is that not what we meant by sex this whole time aw man I gotta go reevaluate some relationships
Best scene in all of Gambo is Robert and Cersei just sitting there talking about their marriage (wasnt even in the source material).
Also, prestige TV fucking sucks. Id rather watch cute and dumb cartoons than the next 1000 grimdark sex murder shows
Yeah, 10-24 is young enough that a significant portion of the people surveyed believe in cooties and Santa Claus. Many of them haven't even started puberty. Not exactly a mature enough audience to have a nuanced discussion on sexuality.
It doesn't matter whether or not they're consuming common media, it matters whether they're mature enough to actually understand the content or have a nuanced conversation about anything at all, let alone sexuality. 10 year olds are in grade 5. On average they won't start puberty for another 1-3 years. You'll have way more luck talking about Fortnite or Pokemon than The Witcher or Baldur's Gate 3 til they're about 16. They're young enough that many of them will still say "EWWWW!" If they see their parents kiss. Not the age where they're going to understand human sexuality.
A 10-15 year old shouldn't be watching R rated films or playing M rated games in the first place, so shouldn't even be engaging with the part of common media where they would really see sex on screen. They're more likely to see the most useless and poorly implemented censored sex scenes that might be shoehorned into PG-13 or T rated content, which could help explain why it feels superfluous to them.
I think it would be extremely helpful to see the breakdown on this per age year, or even just broken down betwen ages 10-17 and 17-24. A 14 year age gap spanning all the way from pre-pubescent primary schoolkids all the way through kids who have already graduated from university is not a consistent group.
the volcel meme was always weird.
It comes from the old sub where it emerged as a way to "jokingly" confrontationally shut down redditors and combat the
culture of gross hornyposting whenever a thread was at least tangentially about a woman, which is only a few steps down from unsolicited dickpics and catcalling in the creepy cishet guy arsenal of tools to lash out at and feel like they're exerting control over women. The sub at the time had only 3 or 4 mods IIRC and an extremely hands-off moderation culture compared to its later purge of stupidpol posters or this site's repeated struggle sessions and purges that have arrived at the current aggressive crackdowns on style thirstposting, so the community had to rely on bullying to shut the redditors down.(suddenly everything with a womens body requires anti horny memes which if you are the only one sexaulizing nin sexual things youre the problem)
Yeah, I've seen that too. I still prefer people being like "haha yeah I sure would be saying something gross right now if not for the standards of this community haha" to them saying something more explicit and thus normalizing that sort of thing, but it's still gross. It should never be a tongue-in-cheek self report because then it's just a euphemism, it should be a response to gross comments although now the site culture and moderation level is just that those get slapped with comment removals and/or bans instead so it may have less of a purpose now than when it was just "peer pressure redditors into not being creepy because the mods aren't doing shit."
And sorry, I do always feel compelled to chime in about the history of weird site culture things to try to keep the institutional knowledge alive and preempt the telephone game of new users who just heard about it somewhere trying to fill it in. I can see how that would feel patronizing and I apologize for that.
Hopefully grow out of not wanting unneeded sexual content on TV? Jesus christ… I think you are the one that needs to grow if you want to attack people with an opinion held as true by the vast majority of people. The idea of wanting to “get away” from people that don’t want to see sex is crazy to me.
This thread is incredibly fucking cursed with these takes it’s actually astounding.
People like to fuck. This is mostly true even for asexual people (the main difference is that non-sex-repulsed asexual people aren't driven by a desire to fuck but the actual sexual act itself can still be fun to them). And people can get very creative in where and when they fuck. Art should reflect this reality on some level.
I feel like the same creepy people would be shocked to learn teleworkers are using their time WFH to fuck on the company clock. Like, people already hook up on company time before Covid for a quickie. WFH makes it much easier lmao
I want to see actual penetration in films. Bring back squibs and have all the avengers fuck each other
Now here's the twist, and there is a twist...
We show it.
We show all of it.
Because what's the one major thing missing from all action movies these days, guys?
Full penetration
Guys, we're gonna show full penetration and we're gonna show a lot it
they make those movies and tbh the writing isn't noticeably worse than marvel
They should poll 6 year olds and ask them if they find kissing on screen to be nasty and icky
the american zoomers are so progressive they're reinventing the hays code lmao
I’ll be okay with sex scenes in media when it’s well intentioned and comes from a place that isn’t saturated by western ideals of misogyny and body shaming. Not to mention the rampant sexual abuse and misogyny present in Hollywood.
Shit like Geralt seeing how many women he can bang for cool cards is objectifying af. Shit like bond banging the main woman of the movie every movie is objectifying af. Making the next bond a woman will not change that.
Also on a personal note I have misophonia and the sound of kissing is a big trigger.
Worth noting Geralt hasn't done that in close to 2 decades now. Witcher 3 sex scenes are actually pretty good in how they're used to deepen or contextualize character relationships
Gotta admit that while vidya sex scenes generally bounce off of me, I did enjoy the way they were done in the witcher 3. They were often treated correctly like something that Geralt, a character who does have and enjoy sex, would do as a part of a larger story.
There's also the fact that most of the women he can hook up with are sorceresses who are decades older than him despite looking like they're in their twenties and who individually are some of the most powerful humans alive, and as a result are every bit as alienated and detached from the world as he is. Like he's basically just a casual hookup they see once a decade or so and one of the only people they can actually relate to. Really gives it a better dynamic than how most handle that sort of thing.
The fact that the first reintroduction of Yennefer in 3 involves her mentioning in a letter that she misses boinking Geralt was more charming to me than I expected
I don't think all physical intimacy should be wiped from media. I don't think we should act like breasts should be shielded at all costs because it makes people feel awkward due to being raised in a society that makes breasts naughty.
I think there's room for nude scenes and physical intimacy in movies, but the way its done sucks. Like you don't need to show the penetration, but a short sex scene and a segue to a couple cuddling and the occasional nip popping out is just real life.
When I was a kid my grandma took me to see the dukes of hazard movie. There's a scene where the duke boys are running through a dorm to get away from the sheriff and they run into a room of a bunch of college girls doing a topless pillow fight. My grandma didn't cover my eyes and gasp, she started cracking up because it was funny and silly and they're just breasts at the end of the day. I watched plenty of movies with my parents with a random nude scene and sure it was a little awkward but we laughed it off and if it was egregiously long we'd fast forward.
I understand people being tired of shitty hollywood sex scenes, but I don't think its good enough reason to do a 180 and never see a stray nip in a movie ever again. That just feels like a marvel capeshit attitude.
I don't think all physical intimacy should be wiped from media. I don't think we should act like breasts should be shielded at all costs because it makes people feel awkward due to being raised in a society that makes breasts naughty.
I understand people being tired of shitty hollywood sex scenes, but I don't think its good enough reason to do a 180 and never see a stray nip in a movie ever again.
I'm confused about who you're arguing against, neither the headline nor the article give me the impression that anyone is suggesting that.
generally in conversation with other comments here at the time of posting.
47.5% of young people say that sex isn’t necessary for the plot of most TV shows and movies
10-24 is a pretty wide ass range for this. Curious if tweens, early teens, late teens, and early 20s differ in any major way. Honestly they should've just polled adults only from every generation, who cares what 12 year olds think
Yeah, when 12 years stop watching TV then marketers will stop caring what they think about TV
Is that really the argument? Imagine if this is taking to it's logical conclusion and everything "not necessary for the plot" is removed from TV shows and movies. What's the point then? There would be zero point in watching the show or movie, reading the plot summary would serve the exact same purpose.
Movies and TV series are supposed to be a form of entertainment and even art on occassion, that takes you on a journey, makes you feel something. That involves many things that don't necessarily advance the plot, but get the audience emotionally invested into the characters, the fictional world, the narratives, the motives. Without that, what is the point? The plot can't exist on its own as a standalone entity. In many cases it even works in an inverse. The plot is used and chosen to make the audience feel a certain way about something. The plot becomes secondary to the same emotions the authors or producers want to convey.
No, this is people just getting tired of studios mandating thst every movie must be a "four quadrant film" and include a romance subplot. This is people being mad at capitalism
There are people who would rather read Wikipedias of fictional settings like WH40k, and I don't fucking get it. You might as well just read real-life Wikipedia because at least you're learning something that's tangentially connected to your present situation by virtue of it being information about real life.
I'm personally passing a law to make it illegal 
