This was fun last time, leggo again
I'll start with: libertarians have solid takes ~40-50% of the time and many of them just need to be pushed a step further in their thinking to turn against capitalist oppression along with state oppression. The libright-to-leftist pipeline is stronger than most seem to think it is.
Authoritarianism is bad, even if you're doing it for the "right" reasons.
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Yes, I'm such a lib that I followed the remnants of a banned leftist subreddit.
You're cool, it's more a question of who's saying a government or state is authoritarian. Is it the workers within that state, or ex-pats and NGOs that are aligned with western interests.
Authoritarian policy is a natural consequence of proletarian dictatorship. Especially a ML revolution. It's the job of the vanguard to crush the capitalist institutions that exploit the workers (which to the owners seems to be authoritarian).
When the vanguard liberalises and allows the accumulation of capital to return, it becomes authoritarian in the opposite direction. It takes from the workers and gives to the new owner class.
Of course, the west would never say this is an authoritarian government. They'd just say that "democracy has returned".
Unless someone can instantly convert all of society into classlessness, then authoritarianism is unavoidable, you'll either have the authoritarianism of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie or the authoritarianism of the dictatorship of the proletariat. I have yet to see any materially possible way of instant class abolition, so the only way out is through.
Banned lib subreddit. There's only one true leftist here, and that's the girl reading this.
True. And the people on this site who are most in favor of authoritarianism aren't even doing it for the right reasons; they're just defending the profits of Foxconn, Tencent, Gazprom, etc. under the guise of "anti-imperialism". It's lib shit... Hollywood taught them every story requires a hero, so the fact that the U.S. is (100% undeniably) evil must mean its enemies are good.
This doesn't meaningfully engage with the arguments of the pro-China position. Though I do agree that chapos are largely warmer on China than they should be.
No it doesn't, but it does accurately describe the position of the couple of chapos I've talked China with. I do hope some day to encounter a chapo making a pro-China argument worth meaningfully engaging with!
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no slurs
Oh look you finally did it, you made me actually downvote a post on this board.