The Nazi Germany stuff bothers me the most. Like, I think a lot of people don't realize how lucky the Germans were. They were never, ever going to win, they literally didn't have the equipment, fuel, etc to do so. It was just a question of how long they would last and how many people they would kill before that point. The USSR and the USA briefly being on the same team is just too much.
People that do this about the Civil War are stupid for basically the same reasons btwNot to mention their ideology was basically a hundred contradictions in a trenchcoat
The Battle of France is never one of the things that gets alternate historied. Not even Hitler expected it to go as well as it did.
That's the thing that really gets me about WW2. If the French actually took some precaution and preempted the idea that the Germans were going to pull off an extremely bold, risky offensive because The only conceivable way for Germany to have won the battle of France was a lightning fast offensive that took France out of the war before French Colonial and British troops and supplies made their way into France, then France could have easily won. Germany went with the only plan that COULD have won them the war, even though it was extremely unlikely to work, but it did and now human history has been changed forever. If the Germans slipped up or if the French actually could have predicted Germany's plans, the war could have been over by 1941, even without Soviet or American intervention
Hell, the French and British could have started and ended the war by 1939 if they actually pulled up their fucking big boy pants and deposed Hitler for very blatantly violating the Treaty of Versailles by unifying with Austria, but no, because instead we just needed "appeasement"
Yeah the German and to some extent Japanese leadership had to go to war for the preservation of their own personal power.
Hitler did a fake economic miracle by borrowing money at an incredible rate, so badly that German capitalism was bound to collapse again in just a couple years if Germany did not overthrow their debtors, enslave much of Europe, and steal gold.
Of course Hitler's internal logic was "if I do nothing I definitely have to resign in disgrace, but hey if I kill 40, 50 million people then I have a chance!"
This is what a lot of a presentation for my history class was about, basically what if the Germans never got their Munich agreement and then got crushed by the combined arms of France, the USSR, and Czechoslovakia. German forces would get bogged down in the mountains of Czechia and would never get through the line. After a few months, the sheer military might of France and the Soviets would have beaten the Nazis back, and a red and gold flag would hang over the Reichstag 5 years earlier. Of course, no ww2 means a radical change in the course of history, which my presentation was mostly about. It's so interesting to think about how different it all could have gone if the Brits had some backbone/sense as to not give the Nazis everything they wanted.
While this is just some nerd on the internet speculating about history, I'm pretty sure that Germany STILL would have lost even if France/UK enforced the treaty if Versailles AND the Soviets stayed out of it. Germany wasn't in a place for a protracted war and could have been easily snipped in the bud if they went early
Oh yeah, Germany was a literal paper tiger in terms of their actual military strength, any real pressure on them in 1937-1938 would have caused either them backing down from their claims, or if they went to war on the Allies terms they would be swiftly defeated, whether through blockade ala ww1 or a full on invasion through France.
At least that is what I assume, as our world allowed the Nazis to enforce their claims and get away with stupidly risky maneuvers,both political and militarily.
Thing is, there's a lot of potential win conditions for Germany. Imperial countries sue for peace, write up new treaties and draw new lines on the map, and wash your hands of the whole affair. All of Germany's newly obtained wealth off the back of that murder and brutality just becomes a footnote in the history books just like it is in the history books of every imperial power.
There's a lot of potential endings to World War 2 that involve imperialists shaking hands in a smoke filled room and just agreeing on new borders while they all switch their attention towards how they're going to divide up Africa and South America and Asia. The Soviet Union entering the war changed that. And even then a tremendous amount of work was done to reform Germany's standing as a European power.
because it was the Belgian's fault and they try to cover this up
The Belgians deliberately ensuring Hitler beat France is 100% what I would expect from the tbh
the nazis rolled basically the best land force at the time (them or the rkka) by doing something so inconceivably stupid it actually somehow worked
The what ifs are always "what if they didn't do something inconceivably stupid at Dunkirk/Stalingrad", without asking the question "wait, why should the military that consistently makes incredibly dumb decisions, and is under equipped and faces resources shortages win?"
I think a lot of people don’t realize how lucky the Germans were
uh... which ones and how?
The Nazis, I mean. Off the top of my head, having the rest of Europe play appeasement, having Spain not be communist, and taking both the French and the Soviets at least partially by surprise.
Beyond that, their victory condition was to take over the USSR at an incredibly rapid pace. The window between the spring mud getting solid enough to drive on and winter coming is just too short to take over all of Russia. Even if they had taken Moscow, it's not like Stalin just says "oh well" and surrenders, fuck no.
Sorry for the late & short response, today was busy and I have an early morning tomorrow as well
I used to be some of these but then I discovered :af-heart: Labor history :af-heart:
America seriously has some of the most violent labor history in the world, has anyone else bombed a striking union with airplanes?
wonder if there is a reason for all that violence happening here :soviet-hmm:
Oh yeah, what are some of you're favorites, I love learning more about it whenever I can
Like the Appalachian coal miners? Lot's of surprisingly badass stuff coming from the South in spite of what we were taught about it
Yeah same, thankfully I didn't have reddit back then so I didn't get bolder about it
Enlightened 15yr old: "I actually consider myself a syndicalist, following the steps of Jack Reed to be precise, though the French communard model is also fine with me"
Anyone else: "A what and a who now?"
the main problem with syndicalism is that syndicalists are often quite bad trade union officers as it makes an often incorrect assumption about what people want from a union
bingo
Sabaton is definitely problematic and all but I like it what can I say.
i mean they're glorifying war and all but don't they have a bunch of songs about the night witches and the defense of moscow, framing both of those as good, and zero about the nazis?
They have a few that, while don't glorify the nazis as a whole nor their ideology, do arguably glorify individuals who fought for them (Ghost Division, Soldier of 3 armies).
Isn't even a leftist but calls people "Tankie" (doesn't see the irony in supporting other "authoritarian" states like the USA)
but I like sabaton's music ;w; this is what I get for being a metalhead
only cares about
military historyhistory of conflict between western nations up until the end of the Cold Warignores
99% of history100% of materialist conditions driving nations to war-
Claims to be fascinated with tank tactics
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Has no idea who Georgy Zhukov is.
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japan is one of like two 'good' non-white countries in the eyes of most chuds lmao
Part of the reason I intentionally try to make my posts on /c/history highlight non-western societies and people.
invading Russia in the winter
Okay, but have you considered that in Soviet Russia, country fights for you?
This is just Reddit. Fuck I never realized how many children are on that website
All of this was me at 13 except replacing Hearts of Iron IV with Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2 and the opinion communism = many food
