Rep. @AOC on the border: "What is happening here is not the same as what happened during the Trump administration, where they took babies out of the arms of their mothers." pic.twitter.com/d5lVhTxWUi— The Hill (@thehill) April 2, 2021
AOC is pretty much example 1A of how far electoralism will take you in the 21st century US. Next step is to do an electoralism, but with some modicum of centralist backing. It still won't be all that effective to slip Kshama Sawant or somebody into the WA state legislature, but it would at least be a proof of concept. Sorta like WOEs compared to full nationalization, I'd see it just a small crumb of semi-revolutionary action that you continue to build from. Cue incrementalism/accelerationism/third-worldism struggle sesh below.
I think if you are leftist who gets elected, and you don't care about making things better for people and instead just want to use it as a platform to get leftist ideas out there, then being a politician is easy. And this is one way you can go, sure.
The problem is when you actually want to try and get things done to help people, certainly at least do things for the people in your constituency like I think AOC does. In order to "get things done", you must play ball and make compromises. If you don't any proposal you want to push won't see the light of day. Not to mention the party will make sure you're out of the spotlight. And this is true whether or not AOC was an independent or part of a third party. Gotta work with at least when party when you're in a 2 party system.
I'm not gonna fault AOC for trying to do what she can to make the lives of the working class better via electoralism. I think she's sincere and I think there's certainly some benefits to having her in the position she's in. I don't envy the position she's in.
why would we assume that she began as some kind of socialist with anti establishment values that got CORRUPTED tho. Lets not complicate things and see that a middle of the road socdem turning rightwards is the most usual trajectory in modern political history
Anyone who has power because of a system will not seek to tear down that system. AOC is still useful but she's a politician, you can't expect ideological coherence from these people. There has to be a mechanism for pushing her left, and a mechanism to push left the mechanism pushing AOC left.
All this comes down to power. The left has no power, no way of holding AOC or Sanders accountable, let alone grinding the economy to a halt.
It should be more than evident to any self-proclaimed "leftist" by now that electoralism and entryism to "bore within" the Democrats are dead fucking ends.
The problem is that the American left is overly concerned with the moralism of participating in bourgeois politics. Disciplined communists should be standing independent of the bourgeois parties and be loudly proclaiming their implacable hostility to all aspects of bourgeois governance. Above all, a hypothetical communist party must not at all be concerned with winning bourgeois elections. It should even go so far as to - in the case of communist candidate actually winning seats in Congress - express and practice absolute refusal to participate in bourgeois parliamentarianism, Sinn Fein-style.
But the American is totally incoherent, undisciplined, and sorely lacking in political education, so they are overly concerned with minimizing the suffering of the working class through opportunistic reform rather than building parallel counter-bourgeois institutions. As a result many "leftists" become seduced by Democratic entryism and endless arguments break out between us over whether or not accelerationism is immoral or practical or electoralism is useless or not and so on.
The Democrats, once again, are nothing more than Lucy holding the football. Every time they win, they maybe dial the volume down one unit and then push it off for another decade, making endless excuses for why they can't do better or be more ruthless, promising they'll be able to fulfill their shitty promises if we just run up and take another go at kicking the ball the next election cycle. Then they lose to the Republicans. Lesser evilism is a trap, we shouldn't be falling for Lucy's trick but instead be punching her in the face and taking the ball.
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AOC is pretty much example 1A of how far electoralism will take you in the 21st century US. Next step is to do an electoralism, but with some modicum of centralist backing. It still won't be all that effective to slip Kshama Sawant or somebody into the WA state legislature, but it would at least be a proof of concept. Sorta like WOEs compared to full nationalization, I'd see it just a small crumb of semi-revolutionary action that you continue to build from. Cue incrementalism/accelerationism/third-worldism struggle sesh below.
https://www.marxistunity.com/
I think if you are leftist who gets elected, and you don't care about making things better for people and instead just want to use it as a platform to get leftist ideas out there, then being a politician is easy. And this is one way you can go, sure.
The problem is when you actually want to try and get things done to help people, certainly at least do things for the people in your constituency like I think AOC does. In order to "get things done", you must play ball and make compromises. If you don't any proposal you want to push won't see the light of day. Not to mention the party will make sure you're out of the spotlight. And this is true whether or not AOC was an independent or part of a third party. Gotta work with at least when party when you're in a 2 party system.
I'm not gonna fault AOC for trying to do what she can to make the lives of the working class better via electoralism. I think she's sincere and I think there's certainly some benefits to having her in the position she's in. I don't envy the position she's in.
why would we assume that she began as some kind of socialist with anti establishment values that got CORRUPTED tho. Lets not complicate things and see that a middle of the road socdem turning rightwards is the most usual trajectory in modern political history
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That's some twitter account. Tbh I don't understand the point they're making half the time. Just going to stick to South African twitter I guess.
Oh shit they retweet that guy that gave hitlists to Nazis. (Andy Ngo I think). Guessing this account on hexbear is an elaborate bit of sorts.
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Anyone who has power because of a system will not seek to tear down that system. AOC is still useful but she's a politician, you can't expect ideological coherence from these people. There has to be a mechanism for pushing her left, and a mechanism to push left the mechanism pushing AOC left.
All this comes down to power. The left has no power, no way of holding AOC or Sanders accountable, let alone grinding the economy to a halt.
https://www.marxistunity.com/
She's operating on technical correctness so I can't even tell which one it might be, but yes let's tear it all down
It should be more than evident to any self-proclaimed "leftist" by now that electoralism and entryism to "bore within" the Democrats are dead fucking ends.
The problem is that the American left is overly concerned with the moralism of participating in bourgeois politics. Disciplined communists should be standing independent of the bourgeois parties and be loudly proclaiming their implacable hostility to all aspects of bourgeois governance. Above all, a hypothetical communist party must not at all be concerned with winning bourgeois elections. It should even go so far as to - in the case of communist candidate actually winning seats in Congress - express and practice absolute refusal to participate in bourgeois parliamentarianism, Sinn Fein-style.
But the American is totally incoherent, undisciplined, and sorely lacking in political education, so they are overly concerned with minimizing the suffering of the working class through opportunistic reform rather than building parallel counter-bourgeois institutions. As a result many "leftists" become seduced by Democratic entryism and endless arguments break out between us over whether or not accelerationism is immoral or practical or electoralism is useless or not and so on.
The Democrats, once again, are nothing more than Lucy holding the football. Every time they win, they maybe dial the volume down one unit and then push it off for another decade, making endless excuses for why they can't do better or be more ruthless, promising they'll be able to fulfill their shitty promises if we just run up and take another go at kicking the ball the next election cycle. Then they lose to the Republicans. Lesser evilism is a trap, we shouldn't be falling for Lucy's trick but instead be punching her in the face and taking the ball.