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Democrats love to be for things when there's no chance of having to follow through.
There's plenty of chance, particularly when Dems work together and act as a cohesive party.
Damn shame they only seen able to pull this off when their passing corporate bailouts and Pentagon bills.
I've said it before, but wealth and age do incredible things when it comes to transforming your political views.
AOC is pretty much example 1A of how far electoralism will take you in the 21st century US. Next step is to do an electoralism, but with some modicum of centralist backing. It still won't be all that effective to slip Kshama Sawant or somebody into the WA state legislature, but it would at least be a proof of concept. Sorta like WOEs compared to full nationalization, I'd see it just a small crumb of semi-revolutionary action that you continue to build from. Cue incrementalism/accelerationism/third-worldism struggle sesh below.
I think if you are leftist who gets elected, and you don't care about making things better for people and instead just want to use it as a platform to get leftist ideas out there, then being a politician is easy. And this is one way you can go, sure.
The problem is when you actually want to try and get things done to help people, certainly at least do things for the people in your constituency like I think AOC does. In order to "get things done", you must play ball and make compromises. If you don't any proposal you want to push won't see the light of day. Not to mention the party will make sure you're out of the spotlight. And this is true whether or not AOC was an independent or part of a third party. Gotta work with at least when party when you're in a 2 party system.
I'm not gonna fault AOC for trying to do what she can to make the lives of the working class better via electoralism. I think she's sincere and I think there's certainly some benefits to having her in the position she's in. I don't envy the position she's in.
why would we assume that she began as some kind of socialist with anti establishment values that got CORRUPTED tho. Lets not complicate things and see that a middle of the road socdem turning rightwards is the most usual trajectory in modern political history
That's some twitter account. Tbh I don't understand the point they're making half the time. Just going to stick to South African twitter I guess.
Oh shit they retweet that guy that gave hitlists to Nazis. (Andy Ngo I think). Guessing this account on hexbear is an elaborate bit of sorts.
Anyone who has power because of a system will not seek to tear down that system. AOC is still useful but she's a politician, you can't expect ideological coherence from these people. There has to be a mechanism for pushing her left, and a mechanism to push left the mechanism pushing AOC left.
All this comes down to power. The left has no power, no way of holding AOC or Sanders accountable, let alone grinding the economy to a halt.
She's operating on technical correctness so I can't even tell which one it might be, but yes let's tear it all down
It should be more than evident to any self-proclaimed "leftist" by now that electoralism and entryism to "bore within" the Democrats are dead fucking ends.
The problem is that the American left is overly concerned with the moralism of participating in bourgeois politics. Disciplined communists should be standing independent of the bourgeois parties and be loudly proclaiming their implacable hostility to all aspects of bourgeois governance. Above all, a hypothetical communist party must not at all be concerned with winning bourgeois elections. It should even go so far as to - in the case of communist candidate actually winning seats in Congress - express and practice absolute refusal to participate in bourgeois parliamentarianism, Sinn Fein-style.
But the American is totally incoherent, undisciplined, and sorely lacking in political education, so they are overly concerned with minimizing the suffering of the working class through opportunistic reform rather than building parallel counter-bourgeois institutions. As a result many "leftists" become seduced by Democratic entryism and endless arguments break out between us over whether or not accelerationism is immoral or practical or electoralism is useless or not and so on.
The Democrats, once again, are nothing more than Lucy holding the football. Every time they win, they maybe dial the volume down one unit and then push it off for another decade, making endless excuses for why they can't do better or be more ruthless, promising they'll be able to fulfill their shitty promises if we just run up and take another go at kicking the ball the next election cycle. Then they lose to the Republicans. Lesser evilism is a trap, we shouldn't be falling for Lucy's trick but instead be punching her in the face and taking the ball.
Yeah right! She wouldn't have even gotten the ring out of the Shire. She would form a subcommittee to investigate the environmental impact of a trip to Mount Doom, then ride it for 500 pages doing pressers, dunking on Sauron and raising money for people displaced by the Uruk-hai. Finally she would decide that we need to work WITH Sauron, and give him the ring in exchange for a verbal promise that he would stop his aggression.
Bernie did the same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCNswYg6LhE
This is a bad take (although not as bad as The Hill makes it out to be if you watch the whole clip). AOC says in that clip that Biden's policy is barbaric and wrong and at no point defends Biden's immigration plan, but it's ridiculous to spend more than ten seconds pointing out that they're not the same. There's nothing wrong with saying it's a false equivalence to compare Trump family separation with Biden's barbaric shit, but Trump isn't president anymore. Everything that's happening now is on Biden, and he's not getting it done. Less "orange man bad" and more "Biden's not getting it done either", please.
Still bad, but seems like The Hill makes it worse. Maybe the site should include a read the whole article thing for us lol.
If I've never read theory, what on earth makes you think I'd read the damned article?
Did you know all tortiseshell cats are female? The few that are male are born sterile due to the coat genes being linked to the sex organ genes.
All male tortoiseshells are actually hermaphrodites.
I would hardly call the DSA membership working class, if I'm quite frank.
Every single DSA meeting I went to I was the only POC working class person there with a bunch of college crackers there to eat hotchip, pick up chick's, and lie.
Also not my experience but my locale is diverse and I did eat hot chip
That would require the DSA to be not as shitty as AOC. They peddle the same bullshit about the "Norwegian Model" and shut down any communists that object to the imperialism required to maintain it.
I dont think DSA has the capacity to run any congressional candidates that are "DSA candidate" in the sense that state or local reps can be who have their entire campaigns basically run by DSA and come from the org or other class struggle organizations. AOC, Rashida, Bowman, and Cori are not really "dsa candidates' in any meaningful sense beyond having some connections and collaboration between us, but they also serve other important roles that I think makes sense to not have that relation severed.
This is bullshit they absolutely can, if you’re in DSA sign and support this https://www.marxistunity.com/
Im well aware of that group, but theyre mostly from outside of DSA/ Cosmonaut affiliated and while i agree with some of this i dont think they have a good grasp on this. Not even in NYC, where DSA is the strongest and we see the org starting to act as its own independent party in some way, would we be able to mount a real congressional campaign, we tried with Samelys and got wrecked. National races just depend too much on a much broader coalition of non profits and orgs for DSA to single handedly run a winning campaign and put "our" candidate in office. We can only really tag along and try to have as much influence as we can through out involvement in the campaign.
Yeah the marxist unity resolutions are going to get slapped down at convention.
yeah i dont think these will make it through its a bit too broad i feel for a national platform, even tho like the first resolution is what we should build towards and implement for state and local races more concretely
Why was Justice Democrats, a small group of ex-Bernie staffers, able to do it then? And an org with close to 100,000 people. And its being pushed by people from Cosmonaut and Marxists who are in the DSA.
lol they did it because they support basically any progressive in conjuncture with other groups. dsa is doing something pretty distinctly different in general
-Me, today, hopeful: Oh boy, i can't wait to wake up and see zero AOC discourse because she hasn't said anything dumb today
-AOC:
Compromise and conformity from a social democratic politician, who would've guessed
:surprised-pika:
If you do not think AOC is GOD you are an ULTRA and will be subject to GASLIGHTING.
GASLIGHTING is when I PULL the blankets OVER our heads and let out a BIG GASSY STINKUMS to marinate in
Alright, go in yell at her https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/ Contact information is there.
Edit: Make a fake address, or use us@ocasiocortez.com
Staged crocodile tears for le orange man
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1143379755540066305?lang=en
