Broke: who brings a faster collapse of america
Woke: who brings a funnier collapse of america
True but he's been so whiny lately. Biden would definitely be more weird and abstract comedy. Like Eric Andre
I mean, the funniest part is still to come. I can't wait to watch him, Biden, and their respective parties being taken to central park. That'll be hilarious to watch imo.
Trump, without the shadow of a doubt. I'll quote my old post I did regarding this.
"Hot take, Trump is the least damaging of the two. The mismanagement of the Empire being so immense that it can only result in the collapse of US hegemony accross the globe. I’m not saying Biden will directly be worse than Trump, they’ll not stop deportation, wars, and probably go ahead to prosecute anarchists and BLM protesters; but what makes Biden a horrible president is that he’ll be doing absolutely NOTHING to fix inherent issues plaguing the US, and I can garantee you, he’ll try and smother left-wing voices with “concessions”. A Trump victory would discredit completely mainstream democrats to the eyes of the population, and add more fuel to a bad situation, thus paving the way for the revolution. Trump will, without a doubt, keep doing what he’s doing, but ask yourself if anything would change under Biden. Would the economy get better ? Nah, or just marginally. Would fossil fuel industries and fracking be stopped ? Nope. And the list goes on and on. Biden simply doesn’t provide as much of a guarantee for a revolution in the next 10 years, Trump however, definitely does."
Anyone who thinks Biden will make things better for the left is deluded. He doesn't even pay fucking lip service to social democracy right now, thinking his presidency will work for us is plain wrong.
Not saying I disagree, but what about the idea that Biden will so actively work to NOT fix underlying problems that by 2024, as things have only gotten worse, the establishment Dems and neoliberals will be so roundly discredited that it will open up a lane for leftists?
As another post explained, it is indeed a possibility. But however, BIden is likely surrounded by more competent henchmen, and would thus be able to counter (somewhat) systemic issues, saying that's all they can do, and going farther left isn't going to solve the issue, and that they have to take it slow, you know, the usual gradualist bullshit.
Thanks to quarantine, they only need to coke him up long enough to prerecord a political statement, then give him weeks to recover. Some minimally competent and moderately evil folks could keep the charade up through to inauguration, but I don't think much longer.
They'll blame us no matter who wins. Biden will not have unquestioned legitimacy to MAGA and that will somehow be on us because libs.
Trump winning brings the US much closer to downfall but it is a coin flip whether socialism or fascism rises from the ashes. Especially since there is no left infrastructure in place to fight a revolution.
Biden winning theoretically gives the left more time to organize, but will result in libs punching left and trying to pacify any left criticism. Again, a coin flip.
flipping a decent proportion of the military rank-and-file is a necessary condition for revolution, i’d say
There were many struggle sessions on the old sub about whether veterans or active duty can be comrades, but I remain convinced that the only effective strategy will be driving a wedge into the armed forces and the only way we can do that is by creating an on ramp of some sort for members who are willing to renounce imperialism.
We don't need to stick them in political leadership roles or anything, but every grunt with a rifle we turn away may be a grunt with a rifle shooting at us.
The troop hate is the result of having an understanding of what Imperialism is but still having a fundamentally liberal worldview where individuals have moral culpability for being cogs in an immoral machine. There is nothing practical about it, it's pure fee fees.
I think the Biden Wins (Good) scenario is not realistic. It should go more like the Biden Wins (Bad) scenario, except the left is able to establish itself as distinct from the neolibs and win the argument about why Biden or Kamala is a bad president, preventing conservatives from occupying the space and leading to progressive wins and a strong primary challenge that either wins or forces Biden/Kamala to commit to succdem or at least some degree of demilitarization of society.
I think you're spot on with most of these, just depends on what is most likely. I think with the unstoppable force that will be climate change, and the world not doing anything about it in time, will be the great decider. But I also don't think it will kill off mankind, just revert us back to feudal society.
but next time a moderate dem will totally fix things
Please god no, don't speak that into existence. I couldn't deal with having to hear that shit again
As far as I can tell, the crisis we are dealing with is completely beyond what the ruling class is capable of dealing with, and I would love for a some of the blame to land on the tightwad liberals instead of them being able to pawn the whole thing off on Trump.
Trump will lead to instant chaos, Biden will lead to liberalism being discredited on a much deeper level. Therefore, Biden is the accelerationist play for the 4D hyperchess grandmaster.
If Trump wins, the liberals will be able to cling to the notion that "this isn't how liberal democracy is supposed to work," and they will be waiting in the wings to attempt a "liberal restoration" before we ever have the chance for revolution. If Biden wins, people will realize that no such restoration is possible, and they will bear witness to "the best liberalism has to offer" in the face of a crisis.
That said, I will be voting for neither.
Exactly. Liberals are selling a lie that everything will be fine once we get Trump out of office. We are not fine, things will be a lot worse for the working class in America in 4 years, regardless of the president. Because Democrats don't want to address the real, systemic issues that are causing the American Empire to collapse in on itself. And these people are gonna really take it out on Biden and the Democrats in 4 years.
Frankly I think Bernie winning the nomination may have been the monkeys paw for the left. Kinda glad he lost. Had he won, most likely scenario is that while he gets social democratic ideas out there in the mainstream, he wouldn't have been able to make much improvement in folks' material conditions in 4 years. Then libs and conservatives alike would have absolutely slandered the left and we'd be worse off in 2024 than in 2020.
Kamala mercs leftists for fun. When Trump goes after lefties, libs will pretend to have your back, but when it's biden you'll be all on your own
i think we need to vote green. it signals what our policy ideas are and forces them to concede at least a little, which can radicalize some people akin to bernie's appearance.
addendum: turning the greens into a proper socialist party that everyone knows about is good actually
yeah libs will just try to convince you to vote if you tell them you don't, if you say you vote green, they will go crazy and usually hurl insults at you.
You're getting downvoted but I agree. I respect folks not voting, more power to them. But I don't think not voting sends the message they think it does. Americans don't give a shit about turnout percentages, they only care if their team won or lost. Republicans and Democrats alike see an election with 20% participation as valid as one with 60%>
Honestly, the idea that any of us will still be alive in 2024 seems wildly optimistic
Yet, as a non murican, Trump is kinda worse at warmongering, I mean, he didn't start any new war. That's like a fucking Jesus for murican presidents standards
You need a book not a comment, but they have audiobooks if you just want to listen
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0-IkmzWbjob1T8DTNDG7EQaN18eSJ97m
for a revolution to take place, it is essential, first, that a majority of the workers (or at least a majority of the class-conscious, thinking, and politically active workers) should fully realise that revolution is necessary, and that they should be prepared to die for it; second, that the ruling classes should be going through a governmental crisis, which draws even the most backward masses into politics (symptomatic of any genuine revolution is a rapid, tenfold and even hundredfold increase in the size of the working and oppressed masses—hitherto apathetic—who are capable of waging the political struggle), weakens the government, and makes it possible for the revolutionaries to rapidly overthrow it.
It's pretty much a known thing. When your living conditions get worse and worse, at some point, you will be willing to risk your life and use violence. I don't know of any wealthy countries that had revolutions, but plenty of poor ones have. Trump and Republicans make people worse off a little faster.
Pretty sure the accelerationist cornerstone is a fiction, like literally
Accelerationism doesn't work. It just leads to more suffering. Nonetheless, Biden is the accelerationist option since his neocon advisors and supporters are trying to start a hot war with VZ/Iran, a warm war with Russia and a more intensified cold war with China.
"Accelerationism" isn't an actual marxist thing. It's like an intellectual irony meme.
Trump, because Trump's disastrous foreign policy directly helps China who is the country that will topple the United States
Yup, he's called 川建国, or Comrade 'Building-China", for a reason
person looking to learn here: do you have examples of how trump is directly helping china? I don't need you to prepare 10 pages of sources I just want ideas that I can examine
In short, Trump is good for China because as he pushes America to be more and more isolationist, he giving China more opportunities to grow and further their own geopolitical influence near and far. Daniel Dumbril has a video on the subject, and I also recommend watching Kraut's China video specifically chapter 7 (linked with timestamp) despite the liberalism and American-centrism.
No matter who wins they will probably start rounding us up and sending us to concentration camps
I don't know. Both are obviously accelerationist candidates. The problem is Trump emboldens the right, while Biden would pascify many of the libs currently on board with protest movements.
