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He's meant to be sort of satire, right? Not actually a hero, but a parody of sorts more like Hitler who is worshipped by millions and causes the death of millions more.
satire is one way to put it, i would say more of a warning from frank herbert about charismatic personalities who use power structures in society to gain power and do terrible things, their actions then feeding a cycle of tyranny and violence.
People that say, "Oh, dune's just another white savior story" are kinda right. Except, its a deconstruction/critique of 'white savior' stories in a lot of ways. Like, the book's theme is that what Paul is doing is fucked up. Though, its not overly stressed in Dune book 1; its not uncommon for people to miss that point. I do feel like the hammered home a lot harder in books 2 and 3; anyone who doesn't get the point that Paul's actions are shitty, won't really even get the plot of them, and will probably just drop the series.
because the first movie didn't really portray the point, a lot of people recently discounted dune for being a glorification of the "white savior" which is really sad because it is indeed a deconstruction of that trope and warning against people who try to embody it. just one of the inherent faults of adapting the huge amount of text herbert wrote for the story arc lol
Paul freaked out when he ingests the spice in the desert about seeing himself lead the crusade, he was angry that so many were killing in his name, I think you just need to know the whole story to catch it which is too bad.
Paul never wanted to be worshipped, it just sort of happened. The sequel books go more into how he feels about the jihad that started because of him and the overall consequences. we definitely need the next two books to get the full effect of the story. Book 4 is pretty much it's own book, then book 5 and 6 are tied together.
this. the second and third books are absolutely necessary to understand the point of paul and the whole first book. thats sort of what makes me worried about the second part of the movie here, because theres no way we're getting a part 3 or something lol
based on the success of this first book/movie(s) i think there is a good chance we get books 2 and 3 in one movie. Maybe its a two parter as well. They could just end it with Paul being victorious and never getting into the actual philosophy because that makes people think too much.
Did some research and I believe I have been lied to some IRL dune fans.
“If things go well with Part Two, I could foresee the idea of maybe doing … Dune Messiah. That would make sense to me,” Villeneuve says when asked about his career plans.
Here is a timestamped link of an interview where Frank Herbert (very briefly) explains it; though he's specifically talking about God Emperor of Dune / Leto II here. I think the right way to describe it is as a subversion rather than a parody or satire.
looks good but if part 2 doesn’t really convey the point of the story and paul’s character then i will be thoroughly disappointed in villenueve.
He's meant to be sort of satire, right? Not actually a hero, but a parody of sorts more like Hitler who is worshipped by millions and causes the death of millions more.
satire is one way to put it, i would say more of a warning from frank herbert about charismatic personalities who use power structures in society to gain power and do terrible things, their actions then feeding a cycle of tyranny and violence.
People that say, "Oh, dune's just another white savior story" are kinda right. Except, its a deconstruction/critique of 'white savior' stories in a lot of ways. Like, the book's theme is that what Paul is doing is fucked up. Though, its not overly stressed in Dune book 1; its not uncommon for people to miss that point. I do feel like the hammered home a lot harder in books 2 and 3; anyone who doesn't get the point that Paul's actions are shitty, won't really even get the plot of them, and will probably just drop the series.
because the first movie didn't really portray the point, a lot of people recently discounted dune for being a glorification of the "white savior" which is really sad because it is indeed a deconstruction of that trope and warning against people who try to embody it. just one of the inherent faults of adapting the huge amount of text herbert wrote for the story arc lol
Paul freaked out when he ingests the spice in the desert about seeing himself lead the crusade, he was angry that so many were killing in his name, I think you just need to know the whole story to catch it which is too bad.
Dune is not a white savior story because Paul is Greek-coded
Paul never wanted to be worshipped, it just sort of happened. The sequel books go more into how he feels about the jihad that started because of him and the overall consequences. we definitely need the next two books to get the full effect of the story. Book 4 is pretty much it's own book, then book 5 and 6 are tied together.
this. the second and third books are absolutely necessary to understand the point of paul and the whole first book. thats sort of what makes me worried about the second part of the movie here, because theres no way we're getting a part 3 or something lol
based on the success of this first book/movie(s) i think there is a good chance we get books 2 and 3 in one movie. Maybe its a two parter as well. They could just end it with Paul being victorious and never getting into the actual philosophy because that makes people think too much.
i guess i have too little faith in americans to believe in anything other than a two-parter with all the philosophy removed.
We're getting the rest of book 1 and all of book 2 in this movie.
Source please? I want to believe.
Did some research and I believe I have been lied to some IRL dune fans.
Source
Well I sure hope it happens.
Why wouldn't they keep going and squeeze every dollar they can out of the series, as long as it keeps making money
Here is a timestamped link of an interview where Frank Herbert (very briefly) explains it; though he's specifically talking about God Emperor of Dune / Leto II here. I think the right way to describe it is as a subversion rather than a parody or satire.
Great link, thank you.
This is supposed to finish the first book and do the entire second book so it should get that point across.