EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)
EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)
stop being anticommunists and this problem is resolved
Tankies aren't real Communists
Sucking the dick of authoritarian regimes does not make you communist
Heaven forbid an actually existing place on the planet actually make some real tangible gains for its people while necessarily suppressing threats
There's "threats" and there's "anyone remotely criticising the regime"
There are some tangible gains in these places but also significant losses for the freedoms and rights of their residents
They don't/didn't suppress criticism, that's a myth
Hell yeah there's that lib homophobia, 1 milimeter below the surface at all times
I'm bi but no go ahead, call me a homophobe for making a dick joke :p
r/asablackman
Damn, guess I'm straight now
Oh wait, no
Then you should know better than to be homophobic as a substitute for saying anything interesting. Self-reflection would probably help you to not embarass yourself in the future.
Why does it always go to homophobia with these types
Idk where the homophobia is, I'm partial to sucking the odd dick myself, just not Mao Zedong or Vladimir Putin :p
"umm actually I used it as an insult because it's a good thing!"
How do you people survive the cognitive dissonance necessary to convince yourself you're not being bigoted?
"you people"?
Besides, I'm not bigoted because I disagree with your ideology, my way of pointing that out may have been hyperbolic but certainly not bigoted
Yeah, you people, people who used homophobic insults about dick sucking but insist it's ok because they're gay/bi/have an LGBT friend.
I agree that you're not bigoted because you disagree with our ideology, but you are definitely bigoted for using bigoted insults to point it out.
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I'm not communist, but I do observe that many of the existing "communist" states seem to be just authoritarianism disguised as the common good
All nation states are authoritarian disguised as the common good.
yeah, exactly. which raises the question of why china specifically infuriates certain people to the exclusion of all other discussion.
I support whatever this is so idk what that makes me
Celebrating an increase in life expectancy from 30 to 40 years old is not remotely the win you think it is.
I'm celebrating the increase in life expectancy from 35 to higher than that of the US, actually, which is the win I think it is.
The point is not the immediate increase in that specific 5 year period, the point is the clear trend of rapid, long term increases after a long period of stagnation, with the pivitol turning point being exactly when the CPC came to power. You're supposed to look at the whole graph.
China never manipulates data coming out of their authoritarian country so good thing we can trust it. I'm sure their life expectancy is great with all their industrial pollution that regularly causes smog in their inner cities.
Here is my source do you have a source that disputes that? Or is your belief based entirely on unfalsifiable faith?
Also curious if you think Chinese life expectancy is still like 35 or what lmao
You may also be interested in what the World Bank, that infamous communist propaganda rag, has to say:
No one in China is over 50. If you're over 50 in China they just shoot you, and then they lie and say they didn't.
I would expect you to understand unless you've read theory.
What theory would that be, lol?
My god he can't read a graph. How has our educational system been allowed to fail for this long?
I'm not committed at all to China as the salvation of the communist project, but it's exactly this sort of self-imposed illiteracy and ignorance, and nearly religious faith in the inferiority and duplicity of The Orient that makes me default to distrusting anything negative a cracker says about it.
Comrade, I also blindly trust any graph as dear leader would have it.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Trump_holding_altered_Dorian_forecast_map.png/800px-Trump_holding_altered_Dorian_forecast_map.png
let's skip to the end of the discussion: I say "that's not anything like what I said." you say "yes but you believe those statistics are true???" I say "do you have any good evidence that they're fabricated, and that the life expectancy in China is actually still hovering around 40?" you beg the question, possibly implying that Chinese people are inherently untrustworthy, and accuse me of supporting genocide. There is nothing I can say to you that will instill an ounce of critical thinking ability in you.
I mean all Hexbear links are essentially the Pravda. It doesn't help when you guys treat Wikipedia like it's somehow the same as conservapedia.com
I don't think census data compiled and verified by the UN DESA is Pravda, a publication which does not exist anymore. I quite like Wikipedia and I think it's a very good way to get a quick introductory understanding of a topic which you've just learned about. In this case it prints a similar graph citing the same data, so I don't know why you would mention it to support your strange argument that China's life expectancy has not significantly improved under communism.
It's not even that outrageous a thing to believe, but you demand that I presume it false because believing that China is a normal country opens the door to believing a whole bunch of other scary things.
Real Communism exists only in the pure and untouched ethereal plane of your mind palace.
Real communism also only exists within the walls of the Kremlin.
http://english.sse.com.cn/
It's nice and warm in there, I like it
Careful calling those regimes authoritarian. Hexbears like to attack this point by assigning a slightly different definition to authoritarian and then either (a) claim that all governments are "authoritarian" or (b) blame liberals for using this word to demonize socialist states. I once saw someone cite https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Authoritarianism to "prove" that those states are not authoritarian.
Not by "assigning a slightly different definition", just by applying the definition consistently, rather than using the
standard.
Ah yes, doge-firefox, please tell me how consistent your beliefs are lmao
Did you just ad hominimem this poor
?
I strawmanned ad hominined logical fallacied all over them.
It's worse than just that. They argue that acknowledgement of Stalin's atrocities is Holocaust denial.
They are so scared and insecure they will lash out against anything that slightly challenges their beliefs. If they post sources it will be misreadings of fringe groups, or conveniently ignoring facts. Like how they believe tiananmen square wasn't a big deal because the China killed about 300 people a mile away. Or how Cuba is a utopia even though it's citizens chose to get run over by the coast guard instead of living there.
No, we argue that equating the bad things the soviet union did to the holocaust is holocaust trivialization, which is a take from mainstream liberal historians. Because the bad things the soviet union did were tiny compared to the holocaust and pretty tame compared to the other Allies.
As ever, actual Jewish Holocaust scholars agree with us
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
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But I hate the United States
Fair enough
Stop being antisocial
Anticommunist
antisocial
Literally same thing lol