It looks like Israel is not holding back and is and targeting civilians in Gaza on a wide scale. There are many videos going around of residential towers being reduced to rubble, and Israel is allegedly not even "roof knocking" before the strikes.
Edit: There is at least one video of a roof knock, which is admittedly somewhat of a relief.
I wish i had saved that graph going around right now that shows how uneven it always is. Gaza strikes a few buildings, knocks out a few windows and injures 6 Israelis and kills 1? Israeli takes out an apartment block in retaliation.
This only scales so I can only imagine the sort of genocide that might be about to happen if Israel goes ahead launches a land operation into Gaza
Edit: There is at least one video of a roof knock, which is admittedly somewhat of a relief.
It's not really a relief at all considering the actual strike supposedly usually comes within 3 to 5 minutes later.
Imagine living on the 10th floor and you are 78 years old with an 85 year old spouse, or a parent with four rowdy kids and your spouse is at work. 5 minutes go by really fucking fast when you actually need to do something important, let alone 3. There is no elevator because Israel only gives you electricity 4 hours a day so you have to use the stairs. There are also people living on the top floor directly beneath the roof being "knocked".
The whole "roof knock" thing is bullshit propaganda the zionists push to make people think their genocide is "humane".
Also how are you going to tell if it's your building or the building next door getting knocked? Seems to just largely generate a panicked mass of people around what will be an uncontrolled demolition at best.
Really, it's just entirely for the PR to an audience of people that have never been under fire from a better equipped military force.
No, that wasn't missed. Israel has willingly created the environment where these sort of uprising occur. I don't support killing random civilians, but under the current system, it's what's bound to happen.
Ideologically I'd rather Hamas weren't killing civilians but materially theres no realistic way to avoid it considering the conditions they've been reduced to. They do not have the privileges of high precision modern technology, and Israel has been using civilians in its war on Palestine through aggressive settling. Civilians deaths became an inevitable result of Israel's policies.
I think it's completely fair to take a trump style, "they knew what they signed up for" position on settlers. They chose to kick palestinians out, steal their homes, kill their children. Turn-about is fair play.
It doesn't end conflicts. All it does it forment it another generation. The 12 year old who's never lived outside of Israel in their entire life doesn't deserve "whatever they get".
Go cry crocodile tears for settlers somewhere else, I sure as hell don't give a shit. If they didn't want Palestinian heroes to take back what's theirs, they shouldn't have stolen it in the first place.
You're talking about theoretical children dying when israel already routinely kills palestinian children and use them as human shields. Live by the sword die by the sword.
I generally agree. I dont celebrate it. I might even "condemn" it if anyone gave a shit what a random on the Internet thinks, and if I could do it without empowering israeli propaganda, but neither of those things are happening so who cares?
I'm not holding a professional army with access to modern Western weapons to the same bar as I am people living in a region that's been completely blockaded for decades. Israel has better ISR, more precise munitions, and far more resources. They can do better to minimize civilian casualties.
This is something that's lost on people. When Israel strikes Gaza, they do so knowing it's one of the densest places on Earth and it'll be be nigh-impossible to avoid hitting civilians.
That said, putting aside the conflict up to this point, while a gazan rocket is less precise than Israeli missiles, you don't accidentally take Israeli civilians hostage in their own homes outside of Gaza.
imagine it was your children or family that got killed or maimed by the IDF during the occupation. if the IDF killed my roommates or my dad i'd be bloodthirsty as well, at least enough to take hostages if not execute them. now imagine that kind of situation has been going on for generations with no release.
hurt civillians are never good, but in this case they are the result of the policies of the settler state. the uprising has fewer tactical and strategic options, they lack the capability to muster a well drilled and disciplined military with strict SOPs, they don't have GPS guided smart munitions, it's either this messy stuff or 'lmao just let israel genocide us i guess'.
are you going to cry about the haitian slave revolt as well?
Regardless of your opinion of Israel, I don't think it's right to say literal children aren't people. You can oppose Israeli apartheid without dehumanizing people.
i'll feel sorry for the children after this is over, but i'll not feel sorry for their parents if they're settlers, and i will absolutely dehumanize them
The blame for their deaths belongs to their parents for using them as human shields. If they loved their kids more than they loved oppressing Palestinians and colonizing their kids would still be alive.
It looks like Israel is not holding back and is and targeting civilians in Gaza on a wide scale. There are many videos going around of residential towers being reduced to rubble,
and Israel is allegedly not even "roof knocking" before the strikes.Edit: There is at least one video of a roof knock, which is admittedly somewhat of a relief.
I wish i had saved that graph going around right now that shows how uneven it always is. Gaza strikes a few buildings, knocks out a few windows and injures 6 Israelis and kills 1? Israeli takes out an apartment block in retaliation.
This only scales so I can only imagine the sort of genocide that might be about to happen if Israel goes ahead launches a land operation into Gaza
Yup, that's the one.
It's not really a relief at all considering the actual strike supposedly usually comes within 3 to 5 minutes later.
Imagine living on the 10th floor and you are 78 years old with an 85 year old spouse, or a parent with four rowdy kids and your spouse is at work. 5 minutes go by really fucking fast when you actually need to do something important, let alone 3. There is no elevator because Israel only gives you electricity 4 hours a day so you have to use the stairs. There are also people living on the top floor directly beneath the roof being "knocked".
The whole "roof knock" thing is bullshit propaganda the zionists push to make people think their genocide is "humane".
Also how are you going to tell if it's your building or the building next door getting knocked? Seems to just largely generate a panicked mass of people around what will be an uncontrolled demolition at best.
Really, it's just entirely for the PR to an audience of people that have never been under fire from a better equipped military force.
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So you Israel can just carpet bomb civilians because their opponents killed some civilians?
Is this the superior "western morality" I've been hearing about?
Just ask the colonizers to leave nicely
No, that wasn't missed. Israel has willingly created the environment where these sort of uprising occur. I don't support killing random civilians, but under the current system, it's what's bound to happen.
Ideologically I'd rather Hamas weren't killing civilians but materially theres no realistic way to avoid it considering the conditions they've been reduced to. They do not have the privileges of high precision modern technology, and Israel has been using civilians in its war on Palestine through aggressive settling. Civilians deaths became an inevitable result of Israel's policies.
I think it's completely fair to take a trump style, "they knew what they signed up for" position on settlers. They chose to kick palestinians out, steal their homes, kill their children. Turn-about is fair play.
It doesn't end conflicts. All it does it forment it another generation. The 12 year old who's never lived outside of Israel in their entire life doesn't deserve "whatever they get".
Go cry crocodile tears for settlers somewhere else, I sure as hell don't give a shit. If they didn't want Palestinian heroes to take back what's theirs, they shouldn't have stolen it in the first place.
Damn shame their filthy settler parents put them in that position. Hamas isn't going to give up just because the occupiers brought their kids.
You're talking about theoretical children dying when israel already routinely kills palestinian children and use them as human shields. Live by the sword die by the sword.
I generally agree. I dont celebrate it. I might even "condemn" it if anyone gave a shit what a random on the Internet thinks, and if I could do it without empowering israeli propaganda, but neither of those things are happening so who cares?
I don't see Israeli settlers as "civilians." They are non-combat support for the occupation.
I'm not holding a professional army with access to modern Western weapons to the same bar as I am people living in a region that's been completely blockaded for decades. Israel has better ISR, more precise munitions, and far more resources. They can do better to minimize civilian casualties.
This is something that's lost on people. When Israel strikes Gaza, they do so knowing it's one of the densest places on Earth and it'll be be nigh-impossible to avoid hitting civilians.
That said, putting aside the conflict up to this point, while a gazan rocket is less precise than Israeli missiles, you don't accidentally take Israeli civilians hostage in their own homes outside of Gaza.
Did you miss the wide-scale of this emoji?
Did you miss the wide-scale murder of Palestinian civilians that preceded this for decades?
Why does that mean I should view video of random civilians being held at gunpoint and loaded onto a truck as a good thing?
imagine it was your children or family that got killed or maimed by the IDF during the occupation. if the IDF killed my roommates or my dad i'd be bloodthirsty as well, at least enough to take hostages if not execute them. now imagine that kind of situation has been going on for generations with no release.
hurt civillians are never good, but in this case they are the result of the policies of the settler state. the uprising has fewer tactical and strategic options, they lack the capability to muster a well drilled and disciplined military with strict SOPs, they don't have GPS guided smart munitions, it's either this messy stuff or 'lmao just let israel genocide us i guess'.
are you going to cry about the haitian slave revolt as well?
Did you miss the wide-scale murder of Palestinian civilians that immediately preceded that?
Yea, look at the wide-scale "murder" happening here, you fascists are all the same
settlers are not "israeli citizens"
they're barely even people
Regardless of your opinion of Israel, I don't think it's right to say literal children aren't people. You can oppose Israeli apartheid without dehumanizing people.
i'll feel sorry for the children after this is over, but i'll not feel sorry for their parents if they're settlers, and i will absolutely dehumanize them
The blame for their deaths belongs to their parents for using them as human shields. If they loved their kids more than they loved oppressing Palestinians and colonizing their kids would still be alive.