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    Y'all tired of these Unjust Depths postings yet? 9.3 discussion.

    Not much to say about 9.3, kind of a slight chapter. I adore how Khajida feels equally:

    • Deeply disappointed/anticlimaxed that her rival, the Red Baron, is just a pathetic, sad, lacking, exhausted dumb bitch who sucks, and won't give her the satisfying victory of killing her

    • Gutted to see that Sieglinde is very much like her: middle aged and feeling the passage of time, slowing down, borderline sympathetic, and totally understandable

    • Hateful that Sieglinde is sad and self-pitying and feeling remorse after causing so much suffering and fighting for horrendous causes, killing her comrades

    It's such a complicated tangle of emotions, it's kind of a huge mess after that lifelong rivarly. Hearing Khajida silently goad Sieglinde to do something about what a heartless, evil person she's been, it's great. But also though HOW DARE U KHAJIDA 42 YEARS IS NOT "OLD" >:|

    The interrogations with Marina and Arbitrator are all absolutely hilarious though. When Ulyana asks why Marina wasn't honest about Elena being royalty, she yaps:

    "You're fucking communists! one of your things is 'eat the rich' isn't it?"

    how-compelling You see Marina, The Romanovs Deserved it, we have a brick wall and some rifles down in the brig,

    I was less pleased when Ulyana asked about uh, Elena's parentage. ULYANA!!! DO NOT FUCKING REFER TO HER AS A "FATHER" lea-tired I am so pleased that Aaliyah glares at her for this, good stuff. Beloved commissar.

    Afterword we get Zachikova and Arbitrator I at the desk, and when Arbitrator describes the bomb collar Zachikova put on her as "a form of play", and declares her intent to breed with Zachikova, I lost it. Zachikova is furious and deeply flustered throughout the whole thing, so Arbitrator will call her "master" and Zachikova will threaten to blow her fucking head off, and then Aaliyah goes "This is an interrogation not some raunchy kink thread on a BBS!" I love her, ngl.

    I am glad that Ulyana is asking the same what-are-her-motives questions I am about Arbitrator tho, and fwiw it does seem like Abritrator is just kinda vibing, like she probably actually just wants to kiss Zachikova a bunch?

    • bleepbloopbop [they/them]
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      7 months ago

      Wish I had read enough to read them without spoilers yet but I read a bunch a while ago and then stopped so I'm way behind you I think

      • ashinadash [she/her]
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        7 months ago

        Rip, if you pick it up again I'll find your posts and reply to them. =)

    • Cromalin [she/her]M
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      7 months ago
      i will never be tired of unjust depths discussion

      khadija's whole mess of feelings around sieglinde is so good. love her so much. any time 2 old rivals are in a scenario like that i cheer, and the ideological angle just makes it even better. the drama! sieglinde is so sad about everything and i'm sympathetic but also like "hey! you did very much kill a lot of people for an evil empire!" it rules

      marina is so funny. ulyana shouldn't have made the comment but like, i'm not that unsympathetic to someone not thinking it through when talking about who provided sperm? it feels like one of those things where the language is complex and i'm not really gonna judge after she apologizes, you know? thank god for aaliyah tho, yeah

      zachikova and arbitrator i are so funny!!! i love them so much, this whole scene rules. aaliyah just saying the quiet part out loud, it's really good. ulyana asking the correct questions, arbitrator is vibing and clearly has goals outside of kissing zachikova (and a history with the other omenseers) but that's the most important one, and enough to probably trust her

      • ashinadash [she/her]
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        SUPERB, NOR SHALL I

        Top shelf indeed, I guess Sienglinde is like Gertrude if she weren't Garbage von Lichtenberg madeline-smug So she's pathetic in a sympathetic way which makes it nail-biting and thrilling to watch them both be furious about eachothers' pasts until they kiss. Tbh by this point I wasn't expecting anybody over 40 to get paired off so uncritical support, I am overjoyed ✨

        I don't hold it against Ulyana no, I did for a split second wonder if something beautiful had happened and Elena was the lovechild of Marina and Leda, that might have been kinda funny actually. It's a very slight mark against the "normalisation" argument for Karuniya I think, because certainly a society where trans people are completely normalised would have eradicated cisnormative language? But Ulyana is probably (maybe) (presumably?) (can we please have a 30+ hot trans lady somewhere on this boat, Ya Allah PLEASE) just a cis nerd and it's a great little moment for everyone's favourite covert intelligence cat izutsumi-idea and her dorky captain.

        Yes yes! To me Abritrator I seemed really sus when she showed up in the hangar and started being filthy, but I suppose it is simply a cultural difference between psionic fishy lesbians and monotone robot lesbians bridget-smug I am glad we can more or less trust her, the folkloric aspect of the Omerseers' plot shenanigans is a superb new flavour for the series, and also tells us that in this setting everyone, even the eldritch sea creatures, has been gay for at least a millenium niko-wonderous

        • Cromalin [she/her]M
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          7 months ago
          love to hear it

          yeah exactly! exactly! khadija is great, love that she's getting her enemies to lovers story in her middle age. she deserves it. and sieglinde deserves a chance to try and redeem herself, and also get her OWN enemies to lovers story! love these middle aged women getting a chance to shine!

          hadn't elena already been born when marina first met leda? but what a beautiful thing to imagine, why not have hope? also in general idk what the correct way to refer to a trans woman as 'the one whose sperm led to the child' is, though obviously father is cisnormative and not correct. and ulyana and aaliyah are great, 100%

          she can be gay and way too forward, as a treat. i do love all the omenseer lore, extremely fun

          • ashinadash [she/her]
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            7 months ago
            I have 0 social energy like 90 percent of the time but my stamina for discussing Unjust Depths is endless basically

            She is and yeah same, again the intergenerational vibes come through strong and wonderful. I desire to see her hang out with the young'uns due to this, every time she says about "the new generation of warriors meant to take her place" and shit. We love to see it!!!

            Yes I think she had but counterpoint: I forgor :) the idea that Konstantin was fuming and buttmad because he got cucked by a transbian covert agent is so fucking rad, y'know? Would also explain why Erich seems to disdain Elana, uh okay new headcanon! niko-happy I'm not sure either, I was kinda hoping Unjust Depths would tell me :)

            Omenseers deserve little treats!!! I like how there is one aphotic sea horror per plot-relevant ship currently, this is going really well & the Brigand's crew just expanded in very fascinating ways.

            • Cromalin [she/her]M
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              7 months ago
              hell yeah me too

              yeah! i wanna see more scenes like the one where she mentored shalikova! lots of potential, she's not in my top 5 characters but is one i always love to see more of

              hmmm yeah. i agree, it's much more fun to imagine this and marina just not believing it to be true. and yeah idk. if the union hasn't figured it out i really have no idea what one might blurt out when theorizing there

              yeah it's fun! the brigand keeps taking on new passengers it didn't really mean to, but it's great to see. i hope they end up needing to somehow build more rooms to house all the people they pick up

              • ashinadash [she/her]
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                7 months ago
                Love to see it!!

                I think broadly as well, I just wanna see more inter-crew interaction on the Brigand, such a fascinating collection of gays to chat!!! Aw don't make me choose a top 5 characters though, I will not choose a favourite child cri

                Yep you cannot remove my headcanon, Marina is just a chad and can't handle it madeline-smug beloved. There has to be an answer to this but Idk either yaw.

                SHIP MAINTENANCE AND EXPANSION, BRIGAND GETS A NEW DECK soviet-huff The blueprint originally had a third floor, so it's actually plausible that they could add a Dedicated Gay Housing level.

                • Cromalin [she/her]M
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                  7 months ago
                  you do indeed love to see it

                  absolutely! wanna see more interpersonal interactions forever, but it's probably for the best the plot keeps moving. i wasn't gonna, but since you brought it up who are your top 5? don't need to be in order

                  misread as Dedicated Guy Housing and was like "well i would describe some of these characters as funny little guys (maryam mostly, but i could be convinced of arabella) but i don't think any of them are guys"

                  • ashinadash [she/her]
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                    Yeah but my slices of life :c Ffffffff uhhhh.... Sonya, Norn, Murati, Ulyana, Zachikova, if pressed at gunpoint. I'm fond of Marina, Aaliyah and Khajida as honourable mentions as well. It's honestly easier to carve out characters I dislike though, that list is two, maybe three long tops.

                    Funny Little Guys like how newfound oceangoing wildlife is Funny Little Guys :) lol

                    • Cromalin [she/her]M
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                      imagining a world in which there was a bunch of really good fanfic of unjust depths so i could go there for all my slice of life needs and sighing wistfully. speaking of did u see all the art dropped in the discord today? some really good stuff in there and i think none of it is spoilery other than the one that is properly tagged. also my top 5 (not in order) are sonya, murati, ulyana, elena, and a character you haven't met yet

                      yes absolutely. but also they're just silly with it! no one else on the brigand is silly enough to be a funny little guy, you know? there are funny characters, but they aren't funny little guys

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                        Trying to manifest that world by writing fanfic with filthy disgusting headcanon pairings because I said so. Some of the background characters that're knocking about (VAAAAAAAAALYA) are ripe for this, there'll always be a spot in my head that's marked "Khajida is Valya's dommy mommy and they're a good little enby" because that just tickles me tbh. I could write for Unjust Depths' setting (extremely broad and detailed, but with lots of wiggle room) a lot if I could surmount the mortal terror involved.

                        I did, and uncritical supoort that's a neato Murati, but it is sort of weird (for me) to see Depths' cast rendered in like 2010s Pixiv style, I guess. Depths only really wears its anime influences on its sleeve at certain fun key points, (screaming to nobody whilst driving ur diamond chainsword into an enemy mech) so it sorta fucks with my head, Idk. I dig this Khajida rendition however.

                        Idk I think Arbitrator might be a little silly herself =) but Maryam is the foremost funny lil guy tbh. Also I adore that there are STILL high-tier characters I have not met yet.

                        • Cromalin [she/her]M
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                          sicko-yes
                          rn all the fanfic is i think just porn, and while i support peoples rights to read and write smut (and i have been known to enjoy it myself at times) i would also like some non-porn fanfics! like i wanna just see murati hanging out with people and having a conversation about like economic theory or something. or like, a big au about what if some minor changes happened (like if ulyana left a note saying "i am being summoned by the commissariat, do you want to get lunch after?" or something to that effect) would be fun. i would love to read any fic you wrote! i hope you can surmount the terror, but also i relate and would have the same problem

                          that's true. in my head they are in an anime style but it kinda looks like an ova from the late 80s, early 90s. like, probably not legend of the galactic heroes but maybe patlabor? stardust memories? one of the more grounded and naturalistic in character design ones. the main difference from most of the art is they don't look as shiny. the second majida (not khadija, she's the anti-imperialist hero from that one intermission. fan favorite, she really made an impression) is actually pretty close to what they look like in my head tho

                          oh arbitrator is 100% silly, that's why i included her in the list of funny little guys. there's 1 character you haven't met who's in the top 5 and another who's in the tier just outside that, though for very different reasons. you've got almost 4 whole episodes plus an intermission before you're caught up! there's some good characters in that space!

                          • ashinadash [she/her]
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                            sicko-wistful

                            That doesn't surprise me, by volume Depths is pretty chaste, I mean 2000 pages and 9.4 subchapters in, I can still count the spicy stuff on one hand. I was kind of expecting a lot more ungodly filthy smut, but by truth even the couple of scenes so far have been mostly tame... But yes, anything that fluffs out the setting or characters with bonus comfy vibes would be entirely welcome, in addition to all the porn.

                            I am sincerely motivated to write things for Depths, it is the first time in my entire life I have ever been seriously motivated to write fan fiction for anything. I still have my page-and-change notes for Sonya x Murati, I haven't thought about story progression much but I should. I feel like I have a pretty confident grasp on both characters, how they speak and react, so it shouldn't be impossible. Mostly I need to go study shit like "What does a Strelok look like again" "what was going on in 3.5 I forgor" etc. If I ever write anything for real, this place will be the first to know.

                            sharing your gay fanfiction on chapo dot chat blob-no-thoughts

                            Oh shit that's so fucking based, Unjust Depths by way of Patlabor. Uncritical support to this. That's pretty cool. Also how dare Madiha give two mech-pilot shimii near exactly the same fuckin name and then not bring up the Khaybar Pass one for like, five episodes. Criminal shit, can we go back there pls?

                            Also are they called Episodes? I've been going with like, an Arc(1, The Roar that Parted the Currents) is a group of "Books" (1.x-4.x) with subchapters after their decimal point. This chapter sorting is handy but complex.

                            • Cromalin [she/her]M
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                              yeah fr. or even like, plotty stuff! like a big meaty fic that has interesting divergences would rule! and it could have slice of life and smut in it!

                              inshallah yeah lmao. i would definitely need that. either that or a wiki that has more detail than the current one has. obviously spoilers if you go clicking around too much, but like. look at maryam's page. she's an important character and she's got nothing!

                              mamoru oshii would do a great unjust depths. have you seen patlabor? i really like the ova, it's great. better than the second movie, which is the one everyone talks about as a masterpiece and which i was watching just now. and yeah majida rules! i will say there is more majida in the future, don't worry

                              it goes anthology (1-9 and the first 2 intermissions, then 10-current, plus intermission 3 and a sidestory) arcs (1-4, 5-9, 10-current, plus intermissions for each) episodes (1, 2, 3 etc) and chapters (1.x). it's all laid out on the table of contents on the website though that also has some future stuff listed. also the new epub copy is divided by anthology, so you'll want to start the new epub after intermission 2 in episode 10

                              • ashinadash [she/her]
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                                And blackjack!! People should do this!!

                                Oh yeah to be real, the wiki kind of sucks. Maybe we should Organise an effort to fill outs its articles? I was hoping it'd have general concepts too, like explanations of gas guns and supercavitating rounds, no such luck. Wild that Maryam's page is empty like that, she is not a smol bean! I mean she is but!

                                Lol no, but I know of it, it's been on my radar for a long while & 80s ovas are profoundly stinky (positive) lookin. Since I hve mecha brainrot now it's probably in my future... AW YEAH MORE MAJIDA MY BELOVED, IMPERIALIST CLOWNS ARE COOKED! I adore hearing that. It is slighly disquieting how we haven't seen certain characters in an actual dog's age, like the Premier and Nagavanshi. I know how it be, vast scope, but Idk...

                                Okay, so I had it pretty much right :)

                                • Cromalin [she/her]M
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                                  praying, would love for that to happen

                                  i think the wiki was basically all done by one person? as is right now it's mostly useful for making sure you're spelling a characters name right and when someone gets mentioned by name in a new chapter and i don't remember who they are i can go and check if this is an established character i forgot about or a new one, and i can go look at a list of people on the brigand (which does have some spoilers for you, "character x is in situation y after the events of episode 11" type stuff) and go "ah the helmsman was abdul kamarik". it would be nice to have more detail but i wouldn't want to go overboard. some wikis try and include literally everything that has ever happened and that's unreadable. but adding like, any detail about maryam would certainly be nice

                                  the patlabor ovas are kinda clean with the characters but the MECHS are crunchy as hell. also really good cast, just a pretty good comedy series. patlabor 2 is like getting a 2 hour lecture on the jsdf with some of the crunchiest mech animation ever and a good atmosphere. i think it's less scope that keeps characters out of the spotlight and more that the metaphorical camera can only go so far from the brigand's path, the actual scope of the main story is fairly limited. like, episode 4 could cover elena because she ends up on the brigand, 7 could cover norn because she was about to fight the brigand, so unless the premier and nagavanshi either make an appearance in imperial territory or start making decisions that affect the brigand we probably won't be seeing them much. the intermissions do break this though, so that's where characters who aren't immediately relevant to the brigand might get a chance to shine

                                  • ashinadash [she/her]
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                                    inshallah

                                    Yeah spoilers is kind of a concern, Idk how to handle that. Certainly some stable characters can have spoiler sections on their articles? And just backstory/rank/physical traits/whatever on page. Uncritical support to that one person doing the wiki though. Fuck knows I've misquoted or misspelt character names before oh-shit

                                    Ew jsdf cringe

                                    Uh I guess, Idk we spent all of episode 4 and 7 away, to me getting to see the anarchists by Khaybar or the Volkische uprising, bits of the Republic too, the Imbrium ocean is fucking vast and has so many characters. Erich, the Sunlight org, Victoria van Veka and her mistress, there's so much stuff... But yeah, I guess the intermissions are what draws stuff out. Does this mean we are never gonna see the Premier again though...?

                                    • Cromalin [she/her]M
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                                      there IS a good description of some of the divers at least, which is nice

                                      tbf the movie's all about exploring japan's role as a usa client state and its complicity in imperialism. it isn't pro jsdf, just kinda boring

                                      yeah the scope isn't THAT limited, it's just that in numbered chapters we only really see things that are either intersecting with the brigand or that will intersect with the brigand soon. we could very easily see all the people and groups you mention again soon, in numbered chapters even! not even just if they arrive in the same colony as the brigand, they could just be doing something relevant to the brigand. and i also do wanna say there's an intermission right after episode 9, so that's even more space for the wider world to be seen

                                      • ashinadash [she/her]
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                                        I shall peruse then :)

                                        Oh ok cool, uh still rip but that's better at least

                                        Yeah Idk it just feels like there is a whole entire world because we get to see far-off pockets of it pretty regularly, this is praise now actually. Worldbuilding. Also yaw intermission soon!!

                                        • Cromalin [she/her]M
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                                          the ova and the first movie are both great, if you can stomach comedies about cops being bad at their jobs that understand the problems with policing but also are more concerned with "wouldn't it be funny if the cops had a mech and they kept stepping on peoples cars"

                                          worldbuilding! yeah the world is very well built, though there's always plenty more to be done