Every time i see pitbull in Poland i know there is a fascist nearby. Literally, they are so integral part of the football hooligan and skinhead subcultures that i never seen anyone else have a pitbull.
Absolutely, but also explains that people not liking them not automatically make them "dog phrenologists". Correlation does not make causation in this case, but also do not nullify correlation.
Don't worry I already wrote a whole fucking effort post about this. Just link this post when any dipshit tries to do race science on dogs.
https://hexbear.net/comment/4820945
Please read this and do some self crit before posting racist ass shit perpetuating stereotypes about dogs used to advance white supremacist agendas.
https://hexbear.net/post/166819
"If I ignore the history of a situation, saying anything I want about it is easy!"
People tried to show you, both here and in threads 2 years ago lmfao, what you are ingorant of, and yet you are still just "UM, This is about DOGS, not PEOPLE."
I think you're not only terribly overreacting, but nothing i my post warrant this, as i described the reality here. I even agreed to the meritum in the next post.
I explained in detail with multiple sources why the pitbull hysteria has roots in racist tropes and redlining please for fuck sake read the post and actually do some introspection on why you hold those assumptions.
This is an incredibly UScentric argument that disregards the poster specifying they're in Poland. In Europe pit fighting is historically associated with the lower class, and more recently with white supremacy, not people half a world away.
You're being very Americentric right now. Poland is not the US, and if pitbulls are popular there with fascists, who tend not to like black people, the breed obviously has a different history and cultural associations there.
Also proof eugenics don’t work. I have a Labrador retriever and mixed breed that has multiple types of terrier and some sort of Argentine mastiff knockoff. Looks like a stereotypical “pit”, but according to the test the shelter did is like 7 breeds mixed.
The retriever has never once chased a thrown object. It’s supposed to be in the name lol. The so called “dangerous fighting dog” loves nothing more than bringing back thrown objects all day if able.
Yes, eugenics don't work, but that doesn't mean it doesn't affect the breed in one way or another. If some dog breeds have terrible snouts or spines or brittle bones due to failed eugenics, why can't they be affected in other areas? Mutts (the dogs) are generally much healthier, yet they are used by racists to refer to minorities while they want to become like the dogs who can't breathe while gnawing on people mindlessly. And I'm not talking about pitbulls with the latter part, just that this is what they see as perfectionl.
On top of what GinAndJuche said, there's multiple layers to it. Racists often use pitbulls as a way of introducing people who don't know any better to race-essentialist thinking. "This dog breed is inherently more dangerous and aggressive, they need to be put down for their own good," that kind of talking point. Then the rhetorical focus becomes more abstract and instead of being about dog breeds, it becomes about racial groups, so they make a parallel between supposedly dangerous dog breeds and undesirable minority groups.
Even if pitbulls are singled out due to social reasons, how does that invalidate its biology? People have bred dogs for a multitude of reasons, from fighting to farming to hunting. If bulldogs can hardly breathe due to centuries of inbreeding, why wouldn't some dogs be affected in other areas (physical strength or behavior) if humans kept pushing them in a certain direction? You can punt a chihuahua across the room and it'll run away, but most sane people wouldn't mess with dogs like german sheperds, pitbulls, mastiffs, etc. because they will kill you lol. As such, people generally don't use chihuahuas for anything that involves a prolonged fight or confrontation because they can't do anything but yap
These days shit like human eugenics is frowned upon. You can easily refute the conflations between dog breeding and human behavior - and even when there is a "parallel", you can easily point to all the monarchs who ended up like these dogs from their royal "selective breeding", though that's probably not productive because fascists want to euthanize disabled people even if they are the result of their "master race" eugenics projects.
Read up on the history of anti pit bull propaganda (if you believe any of the dumbass nonsense like locking jaws you’ve already fallen for it). It’s intrinsically tied to an increase of POC ownership of the breed and racists using that as an opportunity to create a stigma around the breed.
If it makes you feel any better, I almost exclusively see white people defending pitbulls. They also get defensive on any mention of putting a leash on it, but it just seems to be a case of dog owners sucking shit as always.
People who don’t believe in leashes are a special kind of ignorant. “As always”? This just convinces me more that the ignorant don’t understand how dogs work.
There was a thread a couple years back about a study in behavior differences between dog breeds. The behaviors that actually reliably differ by breed are:
Retrieves objects
Howls
Avoids getting wet
Points
Which notably doesn't include whatever people keep saying about pitbulls.
AFAIK it's a very recently implemented feature and as I understand it it's derived from a Japanese script style convention for annotating text with different characters (I think? I'm just inferring from context here).
In Japanese it's called furigana or yomigana, but it's also used for other ideographic/character based scripts where it's apparently called ルビ characters
Can we make it a struggle session about dog breeding?
The average inbreeding based on genetic analysis across 227 breeds was close to 25%, or the equivalent of sharing the same genetic material with a full sibling. These are levels considered well above what would be safe for either humans or wild animal populations. In humans, high levels of inbreeding (3-6%) have been associated with increased prevalence of complex diseases as well as other conditions.
For snub-nosed dogs, it's more like 34 percent inbreeding (more than a full sibling)
People who set out for a certain breed of dog and buy from breeders suck. Adopt a rescue dog if you want one and you can care for one. My dog is a rescue and it took us a while to teach her what she can and can't do, but she's a perfectly innocent dog and has never hurt anyone.
Also I stg if this turns into a struggle session about pitbulls I'm locking the thread.
Kill cops not dogs.
Please ban anyone who engages in the racist bullshit against pits. I hate those pieces of shit so much
Every time i see pitbull in Poland i know there is a fascist nearby. Literally, they are so integral part of the football hooligan and skinhead subcultures that i never seen anyone else have a pitbull.
Ok, but doesn’t that reinforce my point that it’s an irresponsible owner problem and not a genetically inherent aggression problem?
Absolutely, but also explains that people not liking them not automatically make them "dog phrenologists". Correlation does not make causation in this case, but also do not nullify correlation.
Wrong. Blaming the breed for the owner is fucking mentally lacking.
Don't worry I already wrote a whole fucking effort post about this. Just link this post when any dipshit tries to do race science on dogs. https://hexbear.net/comment/4820945
Thanks!
I like you, I really do. Most of the time anyway.
Please read this and do some self crit before posting racist ass shit perpetuating stereotypes about dogs used to advance white supremacist agendas. https://hexbear.net/post/166819
This is about dog breeds, nothing to do with racism. Holy shit.
"If I ignore the history of a situation, saying anything I want about it is easy!"
People tried to show you, both here and in threads 2 years ago lmfao, what you are ingorant of, and yet you are still just "UM, This is about DOGS, not PEOPLE."
intentionally ignorant
well at least the pibble nutters are outing themselves, and I'm learning who I should block
Man fuck you
What's a pibble
A pitbull read my above effort post these dipshits are being intentionally ignorant.
you’ve got a cute word for them that you use in a derogatory manner so I can only assume you have the best of intentions
I think you're not only terribly overreacting, but nothing i my post warrant this, as i described the reality here. I even agreed to the meritum in the next post.
"Overreacting" bruh...
I explained in detail with multiple sources why the pitbull hysteria has roots in racist tropes and redlining please for fuck sake read the post and actually do some introspection on why you hold those assumptions.
This is an incredibly UScentric argument that disregards the poster specifying they're in Poland. In Europe pit fighting is historically associated with the lower class, and more recently with white supremacy, not people half a world away.
You're being very Americentric right now. Poland is not the US, and if pitbulls are popular there with fascists, who tend not to like black people, the breed obviously has a different history and cultural associations there.
That would work on me. If instead of poor poc like here in America. I mean I guess it has worked in me, I don't like German Shepards
dog phrenology
Fr, fascists and people who think pits are violent genetically instead of having shitty people abuse them into it solidarity emoji.
The existence of dog breeds is literally eugenics (with predictable horrific impacts on health and fuck all reliable impacts on behaviour)
Also proof eugenics don’t work. I have a Labrador retriever and mixed breed that has multiple types of terrier and some sort of Argentine mastiff knockoff. Looks like a stereotypical “pit”, but according to the test the shelter did is like 7 breeds mixed.
The retriever has never once chased a thrown object. It’s supposed to be in the name lol. The so called “dangerous fighting dog” loves nothing more than bringing back thrown objects all day if able.
Yes, eugenics don't work, but that doesn't mean it doesn't affect the breed in one way or another. If some dog breeds have terrible snouts or spines or brittle bones due to failed eugenics, why can't they be affected in other areas? Mutts (the dogs) are generally much healthier, yet they are used by racists to refer to minorities while they want to become like the dogs who can't breathe while gnawing on people mindlessly. And I'm not talking about pitbulls with the latter part, just that this is what they see as perfectionl.
I’m well aware of the bulldog’s respiratory issues. It’s tragic.
How can you be racist against a dog breed? Like you mean "breedist" or something?
On top of what GinAndJuche said, there's multiple layers to it. Racists often use pitbulls as a way of introducing people who don't know any better to race-essentialist thinking. "This dog breed is inherently more dangerous and aggressive, they need to be put down for their own good," that kind of talking point. Then the rhetorical focus becomes more abstract and instead of being about dog breeds, it becomes about racial groups, so they make a parallel between supposedly dangerous dog breeds and undesirable minority groups.
Even if pitbulls are singled out due to social reasons, how does that invalidate its biology? People have bred dogs for a multitude of reasons, from fighting to farming to hunting. If bulldogs can hardly breathe due to centuries of inbreeding, why wouldn't some dogs be affected in other areas (physical strength or behavior) if humans kept pushing them in a certain direction? You can punt a chihuahua across the room and it'll run away, but most sane people wouldn't mess with dogs like german sheperds, pitbulls, mastiffs, etc. because they will kill you lol. As such, people generally don't use chihuahuas for anything that involves a prolonged fight or confrontation because they can't do anything but yap
These days shit like human eugenics is frowned upon. You can easily refute the conflations between dog breeding and human behavior - and even when there is a "parallel", you can easily point to all the monarchs who ended up like these dogs from their royal "selective breeding", though that's probably not productive because fascists want to euthanize disabled people even if they are the result of their "master race" eugenics projects.
size and strength yes. behavior no. "behavior only subtly differentiates breeds. Breed offers little predictive value for individuals, explaining just 9% of variation in behavior"
Read up on the history of anti pit bull propaganda (if you believe any of the dumbass nonsense like locking jaws you’ve already fallen for it). It’s intrinsically tied to an increase of POC ownership of the breed and racists using that as an opportunity to create a stigma around the breed.
If it makes you feel any better, I almost exclusively see white people defending pitbulls. They also get defensive on any mention of putting a leash on it, but it just seems to be a case of dog owners sucking shit as always.
People who don’t believe in leashes are a special kind of ignorant. “As always”? This just convinces me more that the ignorant don’t understand how dogs work.
There was a thread a couple years back about a study in behavior differences between dog breeds. The behaviors that actually reliably differ by breed are:
Retrieves objects
Howls
Avoids getting wet
Points
Which notably doesn't include whatever people keep saying about pitbulls.
lol which dogs avoid getting wet?
Cat dogs
we've got three dogs and two immediately jump in a body of water they see and the other goes on pee strike if it's so much as drizzling outside
he does love the snow tho bizzarely
I have a husky who hates water. Think it's a survival instinct where water means freezing to death. Also, double coat means they hold a ton of water
What's that formatting with
{|}? First time I'm seeing it. Is there a name for it? Doesn't look like superscript.AFAIK it's a very recently implemented feature and as I understand it it's derived from a Japanese script style convention for annotating text with different characters (I think? I'm just inferring from context here).
In Japanese it's called furigana or yomigana, but it's also used for other ideographic/character based scripts where it's apparently called ルビ characters
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/globalization/fonts-layout/ruby
Also look up Stanford, horse breeding and eugenics. Horse and dog breeding are literally where the idea of human eugenics came from.
The book Palo Alto goes into detail about this.
Can we make it a struggle session about dog breeding?
For snub-nosed dogs, it's more like 34 percent inbreeding (more than a full sibling)
There is a reason I prefered mixed breeds. Way less health problems, and also avoids participating in the industry.
People who set out for a certain breed of dog and buy from breeders suck. Adopt a rescue dog if you want one and you can care for one. My dog is a rescue and it took us a while to teach her what she can and can't do, but she's a perfectly innocent dog and has never hurt anyone.