Given the fact that people are reluctant to present and identify with their chosen gender identity as a result of this, I would say it's more than just some women being rude.
If the legacy of masculinity is toxic then what can you really do about it? What if a trans person wants to embrace their "American" identity but the online critique of America's history makes it harder.
If someone is being terrible to them irl then they are surrounded by shitheads. Online venting on Tumblr is not the same as some rejection of who you are by the people around you.
I don't think that men shouldn't be criticised, and I do think that women and femmes deserve a space to be able to vent their frustrations with patriarchy. But there comes a point where criticism and venting become bullying.
But there comes a point where criticism and venting become bullying.
I just think there is a distinction in purely online phenomenon (in mass forums) vs IRL harassment (or anything more persistent). Anyway, I guess all I want to say is that people need to log off so I am going to follow my own advice now (in a bit).
You are never gonna have every person on your side. Be it as a man, a woman, or genderfluid. It’s not your responsibility to be liked by everyone. Only that you affirm your humanity.
Men are trash is not really a dehumanizing act, more of a critique. Just be a good “man”, whatever that means to you.
This is why I fucking hate left-wing spaces sometimes. Justifying legitimate sexism as "venting" is fucking gross and all it does it alienate people who would actually agree with us. The reason I started moving to the left is because I saw how fucking hypocritical liberals (tumblr feminists etc.) and right-wingers were and the left seemed to reject that.
This kind of shit is the reason tumblrinaction and other alt-right recruiting grounds find it so easy. We are either against racism and sexism entirely, or we're just as hypocritical as the liberals.
I think that’s people failing to understand this shit is not aimed at FTM or transmac people. Men are trash comes from men being useless, abusive, cheaters, etc. If you are FTM or transmasc you are not the really the type of men they are referring to, unless you think that being a masc person is being a useless shit. Unless they are terfs, and nobody should give a shit about TERFs.
It’s not real men. Why is the asshole piece of shit the real man? What do trans men gain from wanting to associate their masculinity with the godawful masculinity most reasonable men are trying to escape?
If “all men are trash” is a repeated sentiment, you don’t think that might cause a little undue stress for trans men who are pursuing their own masculine identity? As if this wasn’t the point in shaun’s observation - that generalized hatred toward men is not productive and could even be destructive, whereas criticism of toxic masculinity is necessary
The thought of all men being trash is inherently nonsensical. So putting any undue pressure on yourself over that sentiment is a little silly to me. It speaks to a deep seated anger women might have with the men in their lives, and it might be with just cause; but it’s not your responsibility, and asking women to validate your existence doesn’t solve the problem.
Yes exactly, when you refer to men, that includes trans men. To say 'men' and then go 'but we don't mean trans men' is kinda transphobic as it excludes trans men from being men.
Why do they feel caught in the crossfire? Like I don’t think of myself as trash, anymore. In hindsight as a teen and very early twenties, I was a pretty shitty dude. But I have grown, and definitely pull my weight around the house. Meanwhile my father will call my mom to tell her he is hungry. I cook for my wife, clean diapers, do dishes, do chores.
Just be a good dude and don’t let these women angry at their shitty husbands or parents stop you from being a good person.
Given the fact that people are reluctant to present and identify with their chosen gender identity as a result of this, I would say it's more than just some women being rude.
If the legacy of masculinity is toxic then what can you really do about it? What if a trans person wants to embrace their "American" identity but the online critique of America's history makes it harder.
If someone is being terrible to them irl then they are surrounded by shitheads. Online venting on Tumblr is not the same as some rejection of who you are by the people around you.
I don't think that men shouldn't be criticised, and I do think that women and femmes deserve a space to be able to vent their frustrations with patriarchy. But there comes a point where criticism and venting become bullying.
I just think there is a distinction in purely online phenomenon (in mass forums) vs IRL harassment (or anything more persistent). Anyway, I guess all I want to say is that people need to log off so I am going to follow my own advice now (in a bit).
You are never gonna have every person on your side. Be it as a man, a woman, or genderfluid. It’s not your responsibility to be liked by everyone. Only that you affirm your humanity.
Men are trash is not really a dehumanizing act, more of a critique. Just be a good “man”, whatever that means to you.
This is why I fucking hate left-wing spaces sometimes. Justifying legitimate sexism as "venting" is fucking gross and all it does it alienate people who would actually agree with us. The reason I started moving to the left is because I saw how fucking hypocritical liberals (tumblr feminists etc.) and right-wingers were and the left seemed to reject that.
This kind of shit is the reason tumblrinaction and other alt-right recruiting grounds find it so easy. We are either against racism and sexism entirely, or we're just as hypocritical as the liberals.
I think that’s people failing to understand this shit is not aimed at FTM or transmac people. Men are trash comes from men being useless, abusive, cheaters, etc. If you are FTM or transmasc you are not the really the type of men they are referring to, unless you think that being a masc person is being a useless shit. Unless they are terfs, and nobody should give a shit about TERFs.
Isn’t that the problem? This sort of thing labels “real men” as trash, which could cause problems for trans men/trans masc identity
It’s not real men. Why is the asshole piece of shit the real man? What do trans men gain from wanting to associate their masculinity with the godawful masculinity most reasonable men are trying to escape?
If “all men are trash” is a repeated sentiment, you don’t think that might cause a little undue stress for trans men who are pursuing their own masculine identity? As if this wasn’t the point in shaun’s observation - that generalized hatred toward men is not productive and could even be destructive, whereas criticism of toxic masculinity is necessary
The thought of all men being trash is inherently nonsensical. So putting any undue pressure on yourself over that sentiment is a little silly to me. It speaks to a deep seated anger women might have with the men in their lives, and it might be with just cause; but it’s not your responsibility, and asking women to validate your existence doesn’t solve the problem.
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Yes exactly, when you refer to men, that includes trans men. To say 'men' and then go 'but we don't mean trans men' is kinda transphobic as it excludes trans men from being men.
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Why do they feel caught in the crossfire? Like I don’t think of myself as trash, anymore. In hindsight as a teen and very early twenties, I was a pretty shitty dude. But I have grown, and definitely pull my weight around the house. Meanwhile my father will call my mom to tell her he is hungry. I cook for my wife, clean diapers, do dishes, do chores.
Just be a good dude and don’t let these women angry at their shitty husbands or parents stop you from being a good person.
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