Original post here: https://hexbear.net/post/3856299?scrollToComments=false
I think we have a general path forward based on community feedback. "We see you, we hear you!"
I went ahead and unpinned the old post. I'm pinning this one for now and will edit this post when I wake up from eepy time. I had a very mid week and have no particular alarm set so be on look out. Love y'all and I'm amped for my first announcement post since coming back. :)
The mods behind this statement should come forward and c/selfcrit. So many people have pointed out the the jacketing the userbase here as cishet white Reddit debatebros is fucked up and hurtful among other issues, and they are cowards for hiding behind CARCOSA. If you have contempt for the users then say it with your whole fucking chest under your own name
The fact CARCOSA has the presence of mind to step down (should have just offered it, don't step down please) and these losers are still just hiding is reprehensible.
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Aren't you on your 20th alt account? Post it under your main, it's a bit sad at this point
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Aren't you on your 20th alt account? Post it under your main, it's a bit sad at this point
(I don't really get piss baby as an insult? If you've ever cared for infants you know they piss a lot and you'll probably get pissed on a few times too)
lmao imagine screaming and crying like a toddler and then calling others a baby
Anyway I found out what you meant I should respond to - The mod response. I did respond to it yesterday, but you probably missed it because it wasn't one sentence. If you want more effortposts, engage with effort!
Wow what happened here
A user of hexbear on an alt account keeps attacking people with harsh personal insults and tells them to kys if they disagree with them. They showed up yesterday and have not stopped.
The funniest part was them telling me to go die because I'm a chauvinistic white male or something, even though most of the posts I've made on this website (and in particular to the community in question, the dunk tank) consist of calling precisely that attitude out and mocking racists, along with high effort posts encouraging users to read theory that counters chauvinism, in particular Samir Amin's Eurocentrism, and Unequal Development.
The phone is coming from inside the house lol
Are we allowed to say the names this person uses as more permanent accounts? It seems to me that if it is obvious who this person is, we shouldn't be shy about "naming and shaming." But maybe it's not obvious?
I'll just come out and ask. Is this person who keeps making the debatebro*@thelemmy.club accounts to say cringe wrecker shit and then promptly getting banned the same person who goes by u/HelltakerHomosexual ? The latter being a mod of several comms here? And is HelltakerHomosexual the same person as u/Catradora_Stalinism who was repeatedly temp and permabanned but given warnings and unbanned, then finally truly permanently banned because they simply couldn't stop wrecking, provoking fights, and being vehemently anti-vegan? IF that is the case, then it's clear she still can't stop wrecking.
Tagging @booty@hexbear.net and @REgon@hexbear.net since they were insinuating that at least some of the above was true in comments on the post that's locked now. On the one hand, I realize this is treading dangerously near to drama posting, but I honestly want to know if a past permabanned known wrecker is still an active part of the community and if they are still in fact wrecking like they were before when they got banned. That's not about drama, and It seems like a fair thing for the community as a whole to know.
it's either catradora/helltaker or someone who is emulating the same writing style in order to stoke the fires
i sincerely doubt it's the latter but it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility, i suppose
Ok, that's kind of what I figured was the case, but it felt like some people were hinting that it was confirmed. But let me get this part straight. It is confirmed and known that HelltakerHomosexual is Catradora_Stalinism? I'm all for giving people second, even third and forth chances but it seems like someone who had been given those multiple chances already and still proved they couldn't stop wrecking (Catradora) then they shouldn't be able to come back and be given the power of being a moderator.
i can't offer you hard evidence or anything, but since neither of us has the power to do anything here i think it's fine to just trust what your eyes are showing you
in my personal opinion it is extremely obvious who it is based on the position they're taking and the way they're taking it. the mannerisms match as well as they can in a purely textual medium.
if i'm* wrong then so be it. but it's been my suspicion since this debacle started and i have only grown further convinced with time.
*obviously i am far from the only person to say as much; just making it clear i only speak for me here
Understood, and for what it's worth, I fully agree with your assessment. Part of what I was trying to find out was if it was known by other mods that they gave moderatorship to someone who had been permabanned from the site for wrecking. But it looks like that's unknown and just speculation like the other parts at this point, even if it is highly reasonable and well grounded speculation.
i suspect it would be possible to find out (or at least build a compelling case) if you were sufficiently dedicated but to be completely honest i would simply rather confront the issue outright based on the suspicion rather than skulk around attempting to put together a timeline replete with citations et al. the mods will either be honest or they won't. if they refuse to level with us about something like "one of our moderators has been up all night harassing everyone in sight" then imo we have a significantly worse problem on our hands than we would if the issue were only that the mod team placed their trust in the wrong individual (or perhaps prioritized friendship over the health of the site, etc whatever the reason may have been).
i think choosing to protect this individual from this point on is only going to cause further harm to the site, regardless of how we got here or who knew what and when.
I 100% agree. I have no interest personally in dedicating myself to finding out the truth of these things using timelines and corkboards with strings and pins, I just thought it might be a situation where it was an open secret where the truth was already known just not spoken of, since all of this has been news to me. But I have a better understanding of the situation now, so thanks.
Whatever the case, like you I would sure as hell hope that one of the things to come out of this whole debacle would be a reassessment of whether this certain individual should remain a mod or if they should even be re-permabanned, because this is intolerable behavior. A broader reassessment about who should have mod powers in general might be in order too, even if all of this is just a tangent to the "low effort dunk post" issue that kicked this off.
Nah I was straight up saying they'r the same person. It's pretty obvious. The only thing that made me in doubt was some weird timing with the dipshit who's modding a comm he doesn't like.
It's pretty clear there's a good group of people who know who it is too, so wish they'd do something about that or do some self crit and consider what "toxic debatebro culture" entails (hint: it's not enjoying a comm you dislike)
Has the main user been banned yet?
No
You're a true hero o7
Somebody who isn't getting the mental health service they need are having an episode in the comment section.
They're fighting against chauvinism (people disagreeing with them) by making deaththreats, misgendering people, arguing against non-binary gender identity, calling people "uppity" (which reeks of misogyny/racism) and a bunch of other stuff. Also threatening that we are all going to get banned soon, it's honestly kinda funny. It's pretty likely they're a mod here who is mad people don't applaud their wack ramblings about the dunk tank being misogynystic and chauvinist and toxic.
They've also earned me $35 so far, so that's nice (I won a bet)
Aren't you the person that told everyone to go die yesterday?
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Lol respond to what? The same thing we've gone thru 10 times already? Yeah I'm definitely terrified that this time if I write it out it won't get ignored by dorks like you
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Sincerely thank you so much for doing this loser thing still. It's incredibly sad, but you've just financed me eating a nice dinner, thanks so much
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Please keep going lol
Do you think you can get up to 17 alts by today?
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Yeah lol terrified, respond about what?
That you didn't eat a nice meal I guess?
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I think you responded to the wrong comment lol, this was the one where I asked you to explain what I needed to respond to lol. I know it's confusing when you're mixing up the things you imagine are happening with the things you can't read
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Sorry didn't read it before you got banned dummy, but go look up some iron sheik tweets. They're problematic at times, but he's got some real gold too
They're saying we're being misanthropic when we shoot the shit about the absurdities about reactionary thought? I mean, we started out as a fandom for a political comedy podcast for crying out loud. That sort of pop criticism is what drew me left in the first place.
But, if we're talking "misanthropic," I've seen reactionary guys who's brains have been poisoned by consuming nothing but crime stories. They think humans are just naturally violent in some sort of semi-Hobbesean view. Now that's what I'd consider misanthropic.
Lol sorry I couldnt comment on the actual post so I put it here
Condescending, infantilizing, dismissive, ableist, and incredibly transphobic - what can't be said about that post? Genuinely fucking wack, the mods responsible can eat my entire ass. Especially at a point in time where the right is attacking trans people with no pushback, the liberals are already starting to abandon us, and our rights and our lives are in more danger then they have been in decades. Coming from a place that was so formative in allowing me to develop my understanding of my own gender is just so so disappointing. We've literally done demographic surveys, half the active users aren't even cis. We're right back to tone policing and civility politics, yet again. We're a shitposting site and we always have been, a direct offshoot of a shitposting subreddit. Sorry if I seem misanthropic but it comes with the territory when half the country you live in hates your fucking guts. I'm not going to be a good civil little f-slur and write an effort post explaining why reactionary shithead number 48902507's opinion is counter-revolutionary, I want their takes ripped to shreds and treated with the disdain that reactionary opinions deserve. Where is your fucking rage? . And then to say that there's a problem with mysogyny on the dunk comms and call the new comm fucking gossip??? A term meaning vapid and mindless chatter that is deeply associated with misogynyistic attitudes towards women?? Absolutely nasty. Calling it mutual self harm is fucking gross and ableist too. I know well what self harm is, and I don't need some jumped up power user telling me that getting some laughs or venting our anger at terrible people a bit in a broken, dying world is remotely equivalent to even the most basic forms of SH. Its insulting at best. I would go so far as to say that there were points in my life where having just the tiniest refuge of sanity in a sea of shit kept me from doing worse things to myself than what I've already done. Whoever made that analogy specifically needs to pull their head out of their fucking ass.
If there's a problem with comm culture then a discussion should have been made about what could be done on both the users, and the mods ends to improve the comms in a more positive direction. Things like - finding a better name, healthier site usage habits, combating misogyny, racism, etc, and pushing back against irony poisoning. But clearly there is a problem with the moderation itself if this is the attitude that the a large portion of the mod team has towards the userbase.
@TransComrade69@hexbear.net I think a mod purge or at least deeeep self crit is warranted for the mods who engaged in this display of smug, self righteous,
-mod level behavior
get your laughs while you can, I'm going to go
for a while
The cishet man comments hurt me too. Sorry I give off cishet man vibes.
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Did you get some rest sweetie?
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Everyone I Don't Like Is A Chauvinist and other arguments made by crybully liberals
You do seem energized
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aww you’re cute