Just calling a spade a spade. The guy is right wing and I find that funny because it was imo the most likely outcome.
It seems like you’re advocating for a sort of “live and let live” approach to organizing, which I understand when it’s about MLs tolerating anarchists and vice versa. But willfully ignoring fascist tendencies, well, ends up with fascists on your side. Which is just as toxic as the things you’re worried about.
The best path is to be brutally, honestly aware about each and every potential ally and make an assessment from the facts of that person and the situation you’re in. There is no absolute way about it and every path has traps.
For a culture that says "there can be no compromise with fascists", they have certainly found one, and they refuse to not only admit it, but they will continue to refuse the idea whose logical ends they are effectively cheering on.
So my take seeing this guys ideology is that this will just communicate that men with a chip on their shoulder are fine to kill whoever they dislike but because it's a ceo everyone's vibing.
Like revolution without class consciousness is just violence imo and this "revolutionary act" is now just a dude killing someone he didn't like. Just so happens we don't like CEOs either so it muddies what I see as now (with his ideology as context) just a white dude popping off again.
It's still funny that awful ceo is dead but like it's not a win for socialism or class consciousness
people are learning about this and processing it at different rates. this site generally sees regular traffic of accounts stopping by once a day, or every few days, or daily. the hexbear collective opinion is processing this at different stages. some people weren't able to personally read through his socials before they started going private
just let everyone absorb this. news is still coming out. i'm reading rumors everywhere that really confuse things. i'm not making anymore declarations about this until a few days passed.
If they ban you they better be prepared to ban me too ig.
Nothing about this is 'revolutionary' until more motion happens. People can mouth the right words, or even put wind behind them all they fuckin like but it doesn't change the fact that white Amerika is not, and will never be doing it for the right reasons, or having taken the necessary steps beforehand.
I've genuinely hit a point where I expect it; but "uncomfortable" is exactly fuckin right. More and more every day, it becomes tempting to do what Angel does and limit my interaction with this site to em_poc and that's about it
I want to vent somewhere after reading that insanity too. Mods finally got around to removals and bans, but only 3 days after saying she'd keep him on a pedestal no matter how right wing?!? [fedposting removed]
I'd be sad to see you leave the main site but I completely understand why you want to.
I wanna shitpost, chat with the girlie's, dish the T and be autistic about melusines and instead a new thread pops up and it's like did the user base grab their ushanka or their jackboots this morning
I'm obviously exaggerating but like erghhhhh.
Awwwh well least you have that space to bail to!! 💪
You perfectly described my apprehension upon reading this guy’s tweets.
Hopelessly naive to assume 1 dead CEO is going to change anything for the better when the entrentched powers that be can spin this shit any which way they want, especially now that this good looking kid with bougie bonafides has his incoherent, borderline fash ideology plastered all over the internet.
In the same vein as that cartoon about Nazis, this can turn into KILL YOUR ENEMY healthcare executives from kill your enemy HEALTH CARE EXECUTIVES.
You were right and we shunned you. You spoke the truth and we did not listen. If only we heeded your word, we would have saved ourselves the embarrassment. For shame hexbear, for shame. Now we must contend with an imperfect world where thing are messy in terms of vibes and aesthetics, something we have never ever had to contend with ever. Thankfully you are here to guide us.
He's already had his folk hero status revoked
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Just calling a spade a spade. The guy is right wing and I find that funny because it was imo the most likely outcome.
It seems like you’re advocating for a sort of “live and let live” approach to organizing, which I understand when it’s about MLs tolerating anarchists and vice versa. But willfully ignoring fascist tendencies, well, ends up with fascists on your side. Which is just as toxic as the things you’re worried about.
The best path is to be brutally, honestly aware about each and every potential ally and make an assessment from the facts of that person and the situation you’re in. There is no absolute way about it and every path has traps.
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Get they asses.
I think I misinterpreted your original comment but I completely agree with your conclusion,
Same
I think I agree with you but what do you think is the correct course of action here?
So my take seeing this guys ideology is that this will just communicate that men with a chip on their shoulder are fine to kill whoever they dislike but because it's a ceo everyone's vibing.
Like revolution without class consciousness is just violence imo
and this "revolutionary act" is now just a dude killing someone he didn't like. Just so happens we don't like CEOs either so it muddies what I see as now (with his ideology as context) just a white dude popping off again.
It's still funny that awful ceo is dead but like it's not a win for socialism or class consciousness
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people are learning about this and processing it at different rates. this site generally sees regular traffic of accounts stopping by once a day, or every few days, or daily. the hexbear collective opinion is processing this at different stages. some people weren't able to personally read through his socials before they started going private
just let everyone absorb this. news is still coming out. i'm reading rumors everywhere that really confuse things. i'm not making anymore declarations about this until a few days passed.
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astute observation, succinctly stated. thank you.
how would you recommend this be fixed?
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Like I was rooting for him but finding out he's a chud it's like this isn't fucking praxis lmao. It's just a grudge.
I'm like yapping but...
Temp ban 3 days, reason: reddit false equivalency/doomerism/liberalism in
If they ban you they better be prepared to ban me too ig.
Nothing about this is 'revolutionary' until more motion happens. People can mouth the right words, or even put wind behind them all they fuckin like but it doesn't change the fact that white Amerika is not, and will never be doing it for the right reasons, or having taken the necessary steps beforehand.
shout it from the rooftops
People who I thought were more considered have just shown their ass and it's just uncomfortable and cringe at this point.
Edit: oh turns out we are talking about the same 🤡
I've genuinely hit a point where I expect it; but "uncomfortable" is exactly fuckin right. More and more every day, it becomes tempting to do what Angel does and limit my interaction with this site to em_poc and that's about it
I want to vent somewhere after reading that insanity too. Mods finally got around to removals and bans, but only 3 days after saying she'd keep him on a pedestal no matter how right wing?!? [fedposting removed]
I'd be sad to see you leave the main site but I completely understand why you want to.
I wanna shitpost, chat with the girlie's, dish the T and be autistic about melusines and instead a new thread pops up and it's like did the user base grab their ushanka or their jackboots this morning
I'm obviously exaggerating but like erghhhhh.
Awwwh well least you have that space to bail to!! 💪
Dead CEO =
You perfectly described my apprehension upon reading this guy’s tweets.
Hopelessly naive to assume 1 dead CEO is going to change anything for the better when the entrentched powers that be can spin this shit any which way they want, especially now that this good looking kid with bougie bonafides has his incoherent, borderline fash ideology plastered all over the internet.
In the same vein as that cartoon about Nazis, this can turn into KILL YOUR ENEMY healthcare executives from kill your enemy HEALTH CARE EXECUTIVES.
It could have started a conversation or galvanised actual praxis but not when the root ideology is self absorbed fash shit.
You were right and we shunned you. You spoke the truth and we did not listen. If only we heeded your word, we would have saved ourselves the embarrassment. For shame hexbear, for shame. Now we must contend with an imperfect world where thing are messy in terms of vibes and aesthetics, something we have never ever had to contend with ever. Thankfully you are here to guide us.
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