Thanks @happybadger@hexbear.net for sharing the person’s profile in the other thread
https://xcancel.com/pepmangione
The right has done more this year than the left has on decades. The first trump shooter. Arguably the second trump bush guy. And now the adjuster.
Pretty pathetic
Subscribing to a grounded theory is banned in Ivy League schools. Prove you are a genius and invent your own theory!
The more complicated and granular it is, the more writing-on-mirrors tortured genius it must be, I assume. (Nobody is going to check)
Forget the brainworms.
The only thing that matters is working class vs ruling class.
Brainworms can be solved if you can first get people on working class vs ruling class. You have them listening to prole agitators instead of the bourgeoise. The brainworms were injected by the fact they've been listening to the bourgeoise in the first place, once you get them away from that and into a communist sphere of influence you can melt them away.
I agree with you completely. It’s clear he gives a shit about the greater good even if his analysis sucks. The latter can be fixed. Well not in this guy’s case — he’s fucked.
Yeah my point is not so much about this guy but how discussion about this guy can be channeled. Not just this guy but the sentiment "shooting CEOs is good actually" is literally everywhere now, which is NEVER going to be something the right supports.
A highly upvoted comment on Ben Shapiro's video condemning the shooting was "if the left supports this call me a leftist then".
All we have to do to actually get people to hear us out is use the right language when they open the door, then fix the brainworms once they're actually listening to us. The biggest barrier is getting them to listen in the first place.
Gotta strike while the irons hot. People are temporarily amenable to radical action, so they will be more willing to listen to ideas they normally tune out
To be true, it need to be consistent against discrimination that divide the working class (such as racism, patriarchy and imperialism). So one who imply in class struggle, shall not be class first However I honestly didn't get how this kind of position could be right wing. There is consistent left position in both atheism and religious. Moreover, both religion and political atheism are trusted by far right.
I don't think we need to create perfect communists.
What we need to create is a party large enough and organised enough to seize the moment. And a proletariat angry enough to do revolution.
ANY party that is large and well organised enough to.... ORGANISE... Will defacto become the vessel of revolution because people will be forced into supporting whatever is realistic and available when it happens.
Hamas for example has all the weapons, largely because of supporting allies in Hezbollah and Iran. This used to be the PFLP but then the soviet union fell and that's where their supplies were from so they've dropped off as the most realistic vessel for resistance in Palestine, people support the most realistic thing that can do resistance and that thing happens to be who has the most weapons.
The same scenario plays out in revolutions around the world. Those with the most organisational power (and the most ability to do violence) will leap to the forefront of a revolutionary situation. The people will want neither of the main parties, they will want whatever the most realistic next possible is. The job of communists is to become that and be ready for the opportunity, then seize it decisively when it comes and fend off opposition.
The members of the party need to be perfect communists, for obvious reasons, the party needs to be led well and have good ideology. The people that follow it do not, it's beneficial but not important for purism among the proletariat itself.
This is from 2022 though. NY Post was claiming he was posting anti-capitalist and Ted Kazinsky shit somewhere. I haven't seen it. His twitter stops 2022 and I suspect that's around when his relative got fucked by United. I suspect he becomes a theoryless anticapitalist or anarchist.
It should always be assumed that lone wolf assassins have some wild highly individualistic personal theories if any.
Americans (and most people really) are gonna have incoherent politics without clear ideology.
he was still retweeting up until June (i think NY post is just lying)
Bah I was confused by the pinned tweet. Yeah he's an Ivy League tech bro through and through.
once again a shooter turns out to be a worm brained individualistic libertarian freakWhile tragic, him being a right winger doesn't un-shoot the ceo
That doesn't make any sense. The crux of right wing ideology is that profit is the highest virtue, and if someone can't afford the commodified necessities of life this results in, then they don't deserve to live. Why would they kill one of their heroes?
Its really easy to worship the boot when you're the one doing the stomping. Whole lot harder when you're under it.
I'm no conspiracy theorist, and I don't have any other corroborating evidence, but his banner has an x-ray. I'm wondering if our guy got himself into serious medical debt with a denied claim, read the :deny-defend-depose: book and went from there?
what funny is it isn't anywhere on his goodreads list. maybe he picked it up in the last 6 mos and didn't log it
i guess it's possible he became laser focused obsessed in the last 6 mos after his own issues and his grandparents died. best case scenario really.
He falls off Twitter and the injury picture are my only "evidence"
maybe he picked it up in the last 6 mos and didn't log it
Oh he logged it. Gave it a three out of six if I recall
Seems like the most likely scenario. If he's a standard brainwormed techbro he might not have cared or thought about health insurance until it fucked him over personally and decided to take things into his own hands
He also wanted to get into AI/ML, so I can easily see him reading United's use of AI for denials and get even more driven.
To the right-libertarian, the truest believer in free markets and capitalism in the abstract, a monopolistic corporation is a scandal. These sorts of middlemen are not part of the libertarian’s idealized conception of capitalism. Therefore this CEO would be preventing the smooth and morally good functioning of capitalism.
He’s basically an ancap
, which imo fits perfectly well on the right-wing side of things.I think this guy has personal experiences due to some sort of spinal fusion seen in his Twitter banner. So, his politics may only be a part of his motive.
A good thing to remember is that an-caps believe that it is government regulations that mess up the market operating 'correctly', and that 'Obama-care' manipulated the 'free market' and forced healthcare insurance corporations onto the American public.
They can absolutely hold a grudge against 'corporatists and statists'. The fact of the matter is that regardless of his ideology, even if he was an an-cap this doesn't actually do anything. It's good and funny because CEO's are some of the most worthless people on the planet, but not exactly a project builder.
This is going to further entrench the, concerningly common, idea that the right wing is currently more anti-establishment than the left.
I don't think he's an ideologically committed right winger tho, he just has a confused ideology because he's the perfect target demographic for the algorithm to serve right wing shit to. His twitter feed is pretty much what I'd expect from an average techbro college student.
For the record, your posts on this subject are a breath of fresh air. It's so tiring seeing all the idiots on this website tripping over themselves to justifying their continued desire to lionize this guy.
Mostly all He/Hims too, but I doubt pointing that out would be taken very well. What a shocker that it's he/hims that have no issue with their favorite special 'heroic' twink of the day being a reactionary acclerationist.I know this is a real ideological current but I don't think the average techbro dude that reposts Elon tweets knows anything about any of this.
I don't really understand what I'm seeing here tbh, the only person I recognize is Sam Harris.
Well, adventurism isn't going to get society there. It might inspire some people to organize, or at least gather around an issue. When something seen as tragic or heroic happens, it sometimes inspires people to do something about it, but it might as well have no results. Even if all of the ceo died today, tomorrow just as many would be in their places.
God damn it. They're going to find a post about lobsters next and my boner is going to turn into an innie so fast.
There's some posts about how he thinks Peterson is boring and deliberately convoluting.
Insurance Companies HATE them! Local Poster Discovers 1 Weird Trick for Free SRS
He did seem to drop off the radar, cut contact with friends and family for 6 months.
So while he probably does have incoherent and reactionary beliefs. Judging his motives from old posts may not accurate.
He could have turned into the correct kind of communist or gone fully fash or something way weirder in that time.
Wonder what his manifesto says.
He apparently set up his youtube account to post a video of him reading it in 2 days. the account will probably get banned, but I wonder if he had other accounts set up, or on other streaming sites
there's no proof the youtube account is him it's most likely fake given you can change your @ on youtube and the channel description is just a copy paste of his twitter bio
just saw it myself. should have dropped immediately as a techbro he has got to know they're going to shut down his socials
My theory is that he is just really smart (Ivy league/private school education) and set up a hard/alt-right social media presence years in advance while planning this hero mission so when/if he got caught the right would be blamed for the act/radicalization.
Smart assassins change, flee to Russia, and Dremel their Glock into shards and throw it in the Hudson
Well we're gonna find out soon enough unless the popo doesn't take down the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCraQ_E1ffrxpDwUg-9KQgjA
Edit: whelp it's gone already
You guys are so easy to fool. All the Adjuster had to do was find this schmuck who looked vaguely like him and dump all his evidence on him and then boom, the patsy gets picked up and the Adjuster gets off scot free! Hell, he probably called in the tip himself!
The news said he had the fake ID on him that he used to check into the hostel
Just incredible. Pull something like this off and then do amateur-hour shit like keeping evidence like that on you and the gun allegedly. If you're intent on being caught at least do something cool like filming yourself and posting your manifesto read by yourself online to immortalize yourself a bit. Just waiting for the cops with the all they need on you is silly.
I'd totally believe the whole cops planted it on them thing if it wasn't for the amateur-hour acts of them getting his DNA and him taking off his mask to smile at the camera just because the hostel desk person asked him to with a rib about having a nice smile. DNA isn't so easy to fake in a court case with defense lawyers and attention like this. Like if it wasn't him and the cops were trying to just plant this stuff I'd expect they'd have killed him instead to wrap up the lose ends and never made the DNA claim or walk it back.
According to the police, the guy had an orgy of evidence on him. Ghost gun and silencer, anti-insurance manifesto, false ID matching what was used at the hostel.
If its not him, its one hell of a coincidence. Dude was doing so well and then he simply forgot to stay low an extra few days.
Left his DNA in 3 places
I say this as a molecular biologist, bull fucking shit they have solid DNA evidence. They had what, shell casings and a gum wrapper right? Gum wrapper could be anyone’s, it’s the middle of midtown manhattan. Shell casings, how do you know they didn’t roll in a puddle of spit from when he was walking down that street 2 days earlier?
Dipping my gun in the spitoon at the local bar before a hit to cover it in the DNA of like 30 dudes
Ngl I truly doubt he had that evidence on them. I think the cops had that evidence on them, picked up this guy and went “Wow look at all this evidence he happened to have on his person at a McDonald’s!”
I'm more inclined to believe they were able to facially recognize/trace him all the way to Altoona PA, and the McDs call in was just what sealed the deal.
Did the police fabricate his social media history? Come on.
yeah from the report I read, they were lucky some random person called the tip in. Once they detain the guy he has all the evidence they need (fool, idiot). Not done and sealed quite yet, but it's not looking great.
So my take seeing this guys ideology is that this will just communicate that men with a chip on their shoulder are fine to kill whoever they dislike but because it's a ceo everyone's vibing.
Like revolution without class consciousness is just violence imo
and this "revolutionary act" is now just a dude killing someone he didn't like. Just so happens we don't like CEOs either so it muddies what I see as now (with his ideology as context) just a white dude popping off again.It's still funny that awful ceo is dead but like it's not a win for socialism or class consciousness
people are learning about this and processing it at different rates. this site generally sees regular traffic of accounts stopping by once a day, or every few days, or daily. the hexbear collective opinion is processing this at different stages. some people weren't able to personally read through his socials before they started going private
just let everyone absorb this. news is still coming out. i'm reading rumors everywhere that really confuse things. i'm not making anymore declarations about this until a few days passed.
the problem is that the democratic centralism that the site runs on effectively binds the culture and makes the only "safe" outlet shitposting.
astute observation, succinctly stated. thank you.
Like I was rooting for him but finding out he's a chud it's like this isn't fucking praxis lmao. It's just a grudge.
I'm like yapping but...
Temp ban 3 days, reason: reddit false equivalency/doomerism/liberalism in
People who I thought were more considered have just shown their ass and it's just uncomfortable and cringe at this point.
Edit: oh turns out we are talking about the same 🤡
white Amerika is not, and will never be doing it for the right reasons
shout it from the rooftops
You perfectly described my apprehension upon reading this guy’s tweets.
Hopelessly naive to assume 1 dead CEO is going to change anything for the better when the entrentched powers that be can spin this shit any which way they want, especially now that this good looking kid with bougie bonafides has his incoherent, borderline fash ideology plastered all over the internet.
In the same vein as that cartoon about Nazis, this can turn into KILL YOUR ENEMY healthcare executives from kill your enemy HEALTH CARE EXECUTIVES.
Show
It could have started a conversation or galvanised actual praxis but not when the root ideology is self absorbed fash shit.
Just calling a spade a spade. The guy is right wing and I find that funny because it was imo the most likely outcome.
It seems like you’re advocating for a sort of “live and let live” approach to organizing, which I understand when it’s about MLs tolerating anarchists and vice versa. But willfully ignoring fascist tendencies, well, ends up with fascists on your side. Which is just as toxic as the things you’re worried about.
The best path is to be brutally, honestly aware about each and every potential ally and make an assessment from the facts of that person and the situation you’re in. There is no absolute way about it and every path has traps.
I think I misinterpreted your original comment but I completely agree with your conclusion,
I think I agree with you but what do you think is the correct course of action here?
You were right and we shunned you. You spoke the truth and we did not listen. If only we heeded your word, we would have saved ourselves the embarrassment. For shame hexbear, for shame. Now we must contend with an imperfect world where thing are messy in terms of vibes and aesthetics, something we have never ever had to contend with ever. Thankfully you are here to guide us.
