If you remove this one too you'll truly be showing your humorless thin-skinned selves.
I feel this post is punching down. Far too many people, who damn well know better, punch down these days.
Don't think the working class doesn't notice. They do. It breeds resentment and a determination to do the opposite of what their betters want.
But it feels so good to punch down. To tell off those ignorant morons who don't know what's good for them. I just want to bash my head into the wall every time I see people who damn well know better turn into Rush Limbaugh the moment a vote doesn't go the way they decided is best for the working class.
Thinking you know more/better than the proletarians is liberalism comrade.
Yeah but they're not liberals. They're people who goddamn well know better, and they do it anyway. How many posts are on this site right now calling them stupid?
In the classic tradition not only of leftists, but of all people who yell at others to read books. It's really one of those things that ties humanity together.
It’s okay to read Settlers folks, it’s not okay to only read Settlers.
Should be one of the header blurbs tbh
It will be part of the first lesson in our re-education centers.
I haven't read a single word of Settlers. I was told to read Settlers when I objected to to noname's tweet. What is it now huh? This community can't have it both ways.
This vote didn't spring out of thin air. There was already organization and education.
And next time there can be more of all that, and there can eventually be a success
doubtful. Americans are a lost cause.
Edit: the only way the US will have socialism is if it's forced on them like they did with Japan.
Yea, forced by the organized proletariat acting in a real movement to abolish the present state of things, not by any nation but as part of an international movement of workers. That was always going to be the case, and that doesn't change with this vote. Generally good to look for opportunities that could organize workers.
Yes, they got scared/propagandized enough, but as a lefty you should not make fun of workers, ever, especially those who tried
The propaganda that worked here was "if you unionize, well just shut down the distribution center". These people want a voice, but they're worried that Amazon will just scuttle them and they'll lose their moderately well paying jobs (compared to alternatives in the area).
Amazon has been giving the smallest of concessions to their workers which is contrasted by everyone else doing nothing but taking away. When your options are Amazon with terrible hours and $15/hr or some fast food joint or small business tyrant that pays $10/hr, it's easier to just think "I don't want to rock the boat".
they’re worried that Amazon will just scuttle them and they’ll lose their moderately well paying jobs (compared to alternatives in the area).
This worry is compounded by the fact that atomization makes people less likely to take that risk. It's easier to take a risk with others when you know them; it's harder when you don't.
Americans sure, american workers struggling in the pandemic and being scared they’ll get fired if they vote yes? Seems like bad international solidarity, smh
Americans sure, american workers
Useless distinction. The same workers continue to enlist and deploy. Being bombed is worse than being fired.
But these are workers, not soldiers. Dunno, I feel regret that people working in these conditions can be so scared/mistrusting of their fellow workers to vote in such a way :( plus that’s exactly what bezos is thinking: “I can fuck them harder”
lol snackage is the one being overly hostile, everyone else is just responding appropriately
You could explain your fundamental disagreement without resorting to calling each other names, smh
Someone who says shit like:
The people who have to piss in bottles still trust their masters and would rather not have a union. You people are house trained dogs that need their master to tell them when to shit. Absolutely pathetic and worthy of no respect.
And:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you Americans are so fucking dumb. Keep pissing in bottles bitch.
is clearly not looking for any sort of discussion or explanation. They're just being a piece of shit, gloating to make themselves feel better about their shitty life.
I know you don't care, it's for the other people reading the thread to realize you just want to laugh at workers for not accomplishing an incredibly difficult task.
In the end it wasn’t me that wished somebody else to be hit by a car.
Yeah you're just taking the completely harm-neutral position of mocking the failed unionization vote
wrong
However, there is an association between family income and military service: as family income increases, the likelihood of having ever served in the military decreases. A closer examination of the relationship between family income and military service reveals that the family incomes of those who have never enlisted in the military are somewhat higher than those who have served at the low end of the distribution (56.25% higher at the 5th percentile, 42.85% higher at the 10th percentile, and 28.57% higher at the 25th percentile), are no different between the 50th and 90th percentile, and are substantially higher (140%) at the 95th percentile. Therefore, among the working class, those who have served in the military have tended to come from poorer circumstances, while there is low representation of the children of the very rich. Indeed, additional analysis (not shown here) finds that the highest income quartile was significantly less likely to have served than the lowest, while the second and third quartiles were not significantly different from the lowest quartile in their likelihood to serve. In sum, the economic elite are very unlikely to serve in the military.
https://surface.syr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1002&context=soc
It’s international proletariat, not proletariat which I like. Listen to stories of workers in warehouses and find some compassion: absence of air conditioning, hurting backs and knees, strip searching on the exit.
They are working in the warehouse, but getting fired and without a job is more likely to enlist them in military, if that’s your concern about imperialism, even that is shit outcome.
You're posting an emote of an American politician as an excuse to gloat about the suffering of American workers, you fucking idiot.
The people who have to piss in bottles still trust their masters and would rather not have a union. You people are house trained dogs that need their master to tell them when to shit. Absolutely pathetic and worthy of no respect.
Just legitimately stupid or purposefully ignorant for the sake of cruelty.
Yeah, the vote failed because they trust their bosses to take care of them and because they love the boot on their throat. It definitely didn't fail because of a combination of America's long, long history of anti-union propaganda and the workers' precarious economic conditions & atomized social conditions.
I mean just look at this fucking moron's comments in the post he made. Obviously just a sad little shithead who feels the need to gloat about anything, even if it's putting down workers, absolutely pathetic.
Edit: Here's the text body of his post:
The people who have to piss in bottles still trust their masters and would rather not have a union. You people are house trained dogs that need their master to tell them when to shit. Absolutely pathetic and worthy of no respect.
Absolute fucking scum LARPing online as a communist lmao what a fucking loser
When your entire ideology amounts to owning people who annoy you online, this is the result. He'd be an 8chan fascist if that wasn't played out.
Amazon literally broke the law and used the USPS to install a ballot dropbox outside of the warehouse. This isn't the correct interpretation.
:this:
They're pulling out all these strategies to prevent a union. They know that once there's a breech in the dam, it's over. They're desperate and scared. We have to keep pushing. They will fuck up again. I mean they did by letting the CEOs pressure their pr campaign on Twitter.
unlike bernie running for president there's no limit to how many times you can organize a warehouse. And as long as conditions stay poor and back-breaking, people will want to do this.
workers being oppressed by the wealthiest man on the planet is good, actually
c ya later, dickwad
the union's appealing the election results, so assuming the NLRB doesn't suck complete ass then it's possible they get another election
The thing should be thrown out because of how much amazon fucked with it, can't even really trust it.
While this is a setback, there's a lot of promising union activity going on elsewhere.
Convincing yourself that a setback, even a big one, means you never could have won in the first place is just :cope:
And now for the real kicker:
spoiler
That goes for electoral politics, too.
Of course it's rigged. Everything's rigged against the working class. This unionization vote was rigged. But you can still win a rigged game; it's just harder.
As Rebecca Givan, a labor studies professor at Rutgers University, told Vice, NLRB elections “are not a reflection of whether workers want a voice on the job, but rather show the imbalance of labor law and resources in favor of employers.” In the United States, every step of the unionization process is stacked against workers. It is a miracle that anyone ever unionizes. In polls, about half of nonunion workers in the country say they’d join a union if they could; there are countless obstacles ensuring that they won’t. The Bessemer campaign reflects that reality but to a heightened degree.
After RWDSU filed for an NLRB election in November of 2020, Amazon held “captive audience meetings,” mandatory sessions where workers heard management tell them why they shouldn’t unionize. Managers lie in these meetings, and the ones in Bessemer are no exceptions. The company texted workers several times a day to urge them to vote no. They papered the facility’s bathroom stalls with anti-union flyers. They outfitted temp workers, ineligible for the union but especially vulnerable to management pressure, with “vote no” swag, ensuring they’d serve as walking anti-union propaganda on the shop floor.
Perhaps just as important was Amazon’s success in setting the terms of the union itself. During NLRB hearings prior to the vote, the company argued that the bargaining unit should be 5,800 people, rather than the 1,500-person unit for which the union had filed. Under existing law, the employer has standing to say which workers should be in a union and which shouldn’t. Further, under a 2017 NLRB decision, it is easier than ever for the boss to determine the size and scope of a bargaining unit. Amazon won the argument over the unit’s size, adding many more temporary seasonal workers to the unit and thereby inflating the number of people organizers needed to reach. Contacting these workers, persuading them, keeping track of them, and inoculating them against the boss’s scare tactics takes an immense amount of time and energy. More than 3,000 workers signed union cards by mid-January, but that was time and energy that might have otherwise been devoted to shoring up a majority of the original 1,500-person bargaining unit.
it's definitely the "settlers" (a majority of whom are black) own fault the vote failed
Beyond just a bad take, calling them (and American workers as a whole) housebroken dogs who need their masters to tell them when to piss, laughing about the failed vote, among other extremely shitty things
