This old post got crossposted today in one of my subs and fascinated me. The top comment brings up the fact that even in OP’s wildest dreams only “extreme poverty” gets wiped out, with a super lib reply being “you can never eradicate poverty because it’s human nature to want to be rich and the poors are lazy and blablabla”.

I’ve always found it depressing just how bleak the liberal outlook on the world is, where even the far flung future isn’t safe. Even in their “utopic” scenario that eliminates borders, people just have to suffer because that’s the way things have to be. (Not surprising that OP is the “TWR guy” but I digress)

No wonder SCI-FI as a genre turned me off until somewhat recently.

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    "The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Moralists don't really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is control. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth"

  • toledosequel [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    How many times will a third world country get its life expectancy halved for the idea of liberal internationalism to die?

    • 5bicycles [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Equal parts colonialistic power fantasies and artistic outlet that doesn't exactly require too much skill

      • JuneFall [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        I blame Dune and me conquering shapes in my youth. This led to a part (combined with RPGs and their maps) of really being into maps. Also the cold war meant there were non stop maps on the news and the importance of which colour they were was repeated every evening by the anchorpeople.

    • machiabelly [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      I really love maps. I guess I don't know why but I think they're cool. There is a nice mix of imagination and analysis that happens when looking at a new map that is neat.

  • Collatz_problem [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Borders are drawn in worst traditions of European colonialism without any regard for ethnic and economic structure.

  • Lil_Revolitionary [she/her,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    even in OP’s wildest dreams only “extreme poverty” gets wiped out

    Idealist youth imagines futuristic standards of living equivalent to China in 2021

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    This has to be the most ignorant thing I've ever seen. Making Uruguay part of Argentina? Splitting up South Africa and re-creating the apartheid provinces with "new" names? Giving Namibia back to a federation that was part of South Africa? Calling federations "Amazon", "Horn of Africa", etc? No one will accept this at all, even the very idea of these borders would start at least 10 wars. Would be colonialists please for the love of literally anything, stop. Pls stop.

    Editing to say of course the creator of this map posts in r/neoliberal. What a fucking suprise

  • CliffordBigRedDog [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Its like someone made a map to piss off as many ppl as possible

    Eurasia cut up into a million different piece for not reason

    Korea is cut into baekje and silla, which were unified in the middle ages

    Dude's bringing back mediaval kingdoms not around for a thousand years

    "Baltic" gets a big chunk of belarus, russia and ukraine for no reason

  • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Star Trek was literally a moneyless post-scarsity utopia. How do you have your brain broken so badly that your view of a similar planet requires people to continue suffering?

  • RowPin [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Nice map, but it's nothing, Bateman. Here's some countries off of my ideal map:

    Grimlands

    Procter & Gamble

    Vermont

    Israel

    Gay Texas

    West Israel

    Carolina

  • Grimble [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    If you dm this guy and say "I hate the Antichrist" he'll crumble into ash and blow away in the wind

    :troll: