Legit had a mild argument with my family over a couple of days and I think they absolutely hated it when I said they were repeating Fox News talking points about Cuba and Venezuela
Always good to point out the source of terrible talking points like this
Yeah even if they’re just libs, the talking points are the essentially the same.
Step dad who is a super Christian, business owner and landlord said I should move to insert socialist country here if I like it so much. And asked how people would be paid to buy things if we didn’t have money.
Uncle who calls himself a “humanist” and has gone to liberal colleges with 3 degrees and was a medic in the Iraq war said I should move to insert socialist country here if I like it so much. And asked how people would be paid to buy things if we didn’t have money.
For the most part there is no convincing them through rhetoric. Often any progress made in changing a perspective is lost to media exposure by the next conversation. Propaganda is pervasive and anticommunism is part of their identity.
“The meek shall inherit the earth.” Sounds pretty radical to me.
Engaging critically with past communist experiments :wojak-nooo:
Dismissing any attempt at socialism that didn't usher in a Utopia :yes-chad:
Are you arguing against learning from those countries' failures/successes?
So you just want no discussion? Lol. Posting on this forum has no material impact but here we are. People who have absolutist views on topics annoy everybody, welcome to the club. If we're gonna be here might as well have productive conversations instead of letting idealism and dogma cloud our understanding of the past. Weird to try to portray this as "tearing apart leftist groups."
Well I really don't know how you got
“USSR BAD” vs “USSR GOOD”
out of what I've been saying so far.
The CIA literally paid people on the left to come up with anti-soviet stuff during the cold war
The fact that they promote Trotsky and make the shows (Netflix?) about him is just playing up anticommunist propaganda.
Any time a communist is mentioned in any show and isn't a comically evil person, they're a Trot.
Trotsky did legitimately have good points the permanent revolution thing is the main flaw in his thinking beyond that he's pretty good. He went into personal beef later in life but he put out some solid theory
What's funny is that the USSR and her allies actually did participate in permanent revolution. Trotsky's theory was carried out by the very people who assassinated him for being a whiney annoying bitch lol.
Also so many natsec ghouls are trotskyists, but because the believe in permanent counter-revolution which is basically what the US did in South and Central America and Asia.
Yeah but Trotsky being dead isn't really in charge of what Trotskyists do and say. Also Trotsky's fall was that of a legitimate hero of the revolution into a bitter loser of a political rival. Show some respect if only for the man he was at one point
I said his permanent revolution was good and it was right to do it, he was also a big crybaby who tried to form a rightist bloc to take back power from Stalin. He felt he deserved the position because he was a hero and that should have immediately disqualified him.
I said his permanent revolution was good and it was right to do it
Questionable. Why think that when it clearly failed? We must learn from past mistakes and adjust in future experiments or we'll fail too.
In my opinion their desire to help revolutions worldwide was a major factor in what brought them down. They should have developed first, become the hegemon and then launched such support. Hindsight is 20/20 of course though.
With that said it may still not have prevented a slime like Yeltsin getting in charge and betraying them. Everything was flawed from the moment Kruschev lied.
Yeah, permanent revolution is a questionable thing, but it makes sense and was a tactic adopted by the people who ousted Trotsky. I think China's strategy so far has been pretty good, support the successful revolutions against counter revolution instead of instigating revolution.
Which is wild because the Sino-Soviet split was over this and China was arguing for more direct intervention while the Soviets were arguing against direct intervention and they ended up doing the opposite.
Permanent counter revolution? I've heard of a trot neocon pipeline but I never understood it, could you shed some light?
I just made that up honestly, it works to describe the sort of vile internationalism that neocons have. They are happy to use the imperial state as a tool to suppress the movements they see as wrong.
I don't think they're trotskyists at that point though, they just apply that idea to how they approach revolution in other nations.
Only write newspaper, no revolution. Permanent revolution meant printing zines and doing ketamine.
conservatives/fascists/liberals always tell me to move to cuba or china if i like it so much, but they never offer to wire me the money or simply buy me the plane tickets
Unfortunately the only way to get Cuban citizenship is through marriage:(
The only way to get Chinese citizenship these days is to have a PhD in electrical engineering and be a genius with semiconductors.
cant i just go there, find a government employee, and tell them 'i defect' like ppl from all the 'bad' countries do in US tv shows?
becoming an American Yeonmi Park, telling stories about how Hollywood is actually a Potemkin Village and all the actors are forced at gunpoint to pretend to be wealthy, that the tax-rate is 140%, how evil capitalist enforcers will come to your house and shoot your dog and send you the bill (wait that's actually true) uhhh maybe that Qanon is real?
I'll be expecting my Yuan now Mr. Xi
They're simply trying to call you a hypocrite, which is often the only available means of critiquing coherent ideological stances
The r*ddit thread has v*ush fan and Amerikkkan teenage energy
I'm trying in the comments but someone unironically called Nelson Mandela a tankie and genocide denier. WHAT THE ACTUL FUCK AHHH. It's so hard ughhh I can't even ffs.
:agony-limitless:
Mandela was the last person to ever receive the "Lenin International Peace Prize" before the Soviet Union ceased to exist so I'll take it I guess
I thought I broke through to them but now they're talking about "Chinese government genocide" AHHH
:agony-deep:
At least I got them to say that Cuba is good lol
Fuck that poisonous shit I hate the political compass with all of my heart. Hopefully that sub dies because it unironically houses nazis but I doubt it
Literally wrapping chains around your own mind at the suggestion of somebody you never met and know nothing about because they made a pretty graph with simple lines
TIL, elevating over a billion people out of extreme poverty and setting them on the path to a modest standard of living is a "minor thing"
It’s a minor thing for people who have never seen or lived in poverty
Read the comments. The amount of people saying "yeah but its actually okay because tankies aren't human(in essence)" was just astounding. DO they never consider a talking point not given by the CIA?
Commiestankies aren’t human-person who definitely got the point of the post
Except there are self proclaimed communists actually doing this in regards to just saying “TANKIE”
This is more like if you say something anti-Semitic but replace Jews with globalists, it’s still anti-Semitic.
This is more like replacing "Jew" with "K**e" and trying to pretend that you aren't anti-semitic.
Its more like if one guy is saying antisemitic conspiracy theories using slurs and you decide to use a different term for jews in your antisemitic conspiracy theories.
Always remember that this is the guy calling you a tankie online.
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