:bjp-cool: I hope a naxalite parodies Modi one of this days
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Just like the USSR
As expected, these guys don't give a shit about the Chinese people toiling under le evil SeeSeePee, considering how much of a disaster the USSR's break-up was for tens of millions of people. They only care that a threat to the current world order is eliminated.
Also, imagine caring so much for the current world order when your country isn't even at the top. Hindu Nationalism is one hell of a drug.
Liberals and leftists who dislike the CCP MUST understand that if the "evil CCP" is defeated, China will go down the EXACT same path as Russia. Leftists especially need to understand what color revolutions are. It seriously disturbs me how many "leftists" absolutely DESPISE China but have never done anything to counter U.S. imperialism.
It's infuriating because many of those "leftists" are simultaneously under the delusion that it's best for everyone involved "in the long run" (but also Russia bad lol), for both China and the World. Even way back when I was an anti-China/USSR SocDem, I thought the USSR collapsing the way it did was an objectively terrible thing.
I always found it interesting that the Tiananmen Square protests happened in 1989 right when all the other "pro-democracy" protests in the socialist world did, but it didn't succeed.
Tankiest I've ever been
This is why the repression at Tiananmen Square ended up being good for China in the long run
Meh. It was an internal conflict that combined western-inspired student protests with Maoist anti-land-reformists in support of an outgoing CCP leader's vision for the country. It's very difficult to pick sides in the fight, because it wasn't an East v West confrontation nearly so much as it was a Stalin v Trotsky domestic power struggle that manifested itself as a national media spectacle.
The Gang Of Four coming into and out of power in China did far more to shape the modern direction of the Chinese socialist character than this minor flare up on the eve of a multi-decade Chinese bull run.
I just think that the outcome of the Tiananmen protests is a good example of exactly why this is such a braindead map. China is even more cohesive now than it was back then, especially with the mauve expansion of transportation infrastructure linking everyone together.
"The students are nuts if they think this handful of people can overthrow our Party and our government."
-- Wang Zhen, Chinese Communist official, May 1989
It seriously disturbs me how many “leftists” absolutely DESPISE China but have never done anything to counter U.S. imperialism.
They're just neolibs who want Healthcare.
Can't believe people who grew up in the imperial core would be indoctrinated in imperialist mindset.
if the “evil CCP” is defeated, China will go down the EXACT same path as Russia
The original play from the West was to install a Capital-friendly apparatchik akin to Yeltsin in the politburo. But Bo Xilai was ousted by Xi Jinping for doing far too many crimes for the rest of the leadership's tastes.
The effort to control China from above backfired in much the same way it backfired in Russia. But with the added twist that Communism, as an ideology, reasserted itself more strongly than at any point in post-Cold War geopolitics.
If "the evil CCP" is defeated, what Americans may find themselves with is an even more Based leftist movement.
considering how much of a disaster the USSR’s break-up was for tens of millions of people
Given the center-of-mass that is Russian regional politics and economics, I would not be surprised if the USSR reconstituted itself in some form over the next century. Similarly, the BRI out of China will create durable trade and travel routes that tie it to neighboring states and provinces in a manner not unlike the US Rail and Highway systems unified post-Civil War America.
Unlike the EU, which has shaped up more as a trade union than a real economic union, these other states are building real physical infrastructure to cement the legal and economic relationships they are forging through politics.
That was - ostensibly - Modi's pitch to the country when he took office half a decade ago. But Modi consistently failed to deliver, while putting economic pressure on rural states in a way that's fracturing his country along party lines.
I would not be surprised if the USSR reconstituted itself in some form over the next century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_State
Russia has supposedly been in a long and slow process of eventually merging with Belarus. A couple other countries have expressed interest in joining too, including breakaway states like Abkhazia and South Ossetia. But the whole thing doesn't seem certain to actually happen.
Nothing is certain, and the US is certainly fighting tooth-and-nail to prevent it.
But how long we can keep blue-balling every other emerging regional power on the planet is questionable.
Except unlike China the USSR was actually consciously structured as a union of separate nations which were able to break apart with some degree of continuity. China has probably had a majority of its modern land mass since like 1000 AD. Outside of the East Turkestan movement and Tibet, are there even movements within China that would even want to form a separate nation?
Not really. Many regions with cultural minorities like Inner Mongolia seem to have some tensions over things like Language education, but no real separatist movements worth mentioning
People eagerly awaiting the break up of China are the same ones penning articles about how foolish it would be for Scotland to exit the UK.
PRC likes doing this X autonomous region/prefecture thing for their minorities and makes conscious effort to preserve their language and culture. Maybe that could be construed as a union of separate nations?
I think that's on the level of like saying that the different native reservations in the USA would become separate states. Except not really because the Autonomous regions actually have significantly more autonomy than the reservations do.
Except not really because the Autonomous regions actually have significantly more autonomy than the reservations do.
Shouldn't that encourage separatism?
Not usually. The more autonomous a nation(I'll say for simplicity's sake) is to operate within a state while benefiting from the state, the less likely it is to want to separate. There are a lot of costs associated with being a state, so the advantages of separation are very small compared to the disadvantages.
I have a feeling that even the Tibet and East Turkestan separatist movements are exaggerated. Certainly they are no more serious than the Catalan independence movement that was quite brutally crushed with hardly a side note in the media. For the rest of China, I don't even think it is on the radar.
Must be nice, here the catalan movement is brought up whenerver it looks like the government might do something good for Catalonia.
"Hurr durr, our government is trying to get their support with bribes, grumble grumble" "Our government is trying to break Spain, grrr"
The government might FINALLY pardon and release some independentist leaders and the conservative press is being extremely annoying. (Just like the liberal press, which is "concerned").
I'm Canadian and it sounds roughly similar to Quebec. Everyone always complains that they are sort of bribed to stay in Canada. Really they just know how to do politics.
It’s hard for a westerner to gauge the popularity of these things with the sources available to us because like Chinese government certainly publishing any polls about the popularity of Tibetan independence, and you obviously expect US sources to exaggerate these things, but I have no doubt that there is probably a fair number of people who support that, but if there were even a few cranks supporting independence for whatever region the usual suspects would be running with the story.
It's not really a black and white issue because you can have greater autonomy while staying a part of China. From what I can understand, some degree of regional autonomy was basically baked into the system when it was realized fairly early on that China was way too big and complex to be effectively centrally planned, and that a degree of regional autonomy was essential. I think it is only natural that these regions should agitate for a greater degree of regional autonomy, but if they break completely from China then they only leave themselves open to exploitation by other imperialist forces.
You make a fair point, but is it likely though, considering the approval ratings?
Would be nice if they released more polling on this sort of thing. Mind you, no one would believe it and they know that so why would they bother I guess.
- I think it's a case of vaguely knowing that that used to be a state in that region and assuming that means it can be a breakaway republic.
Unlike China, India needs to be balkanized. The north eastern states don't want to be a part of India. So do Kashmir. India as a whole didn't exist until the British forced it to become like that. Racism runs rampant but this fucks will act like it doesn't exist.
Kerala didn't elect one BJP seat, they really despise that movement and want nothing to do with it, or really anything that goes on in Northern India.
India doesn't need to be Balkanized, they need a cultural revolution. The semi-feudal caste system is a disgusting relic and it needs to go.
Caste system doesn't exist throughout the country. Stop looking at the country as a monolith. Kerala not electing a BJP candidate isn't the reason why I said it needs to be balkanized. BJP aren't popular in other non communist majority states either.
Look at the North Eastern states and the rest of the country. They are literally treated as a second class citizen in their own country. If anyone says otherwise then I will slap them silly. The cultural difference between the regions are more evident than in those calling for Uyghur self determination
It should be extremely self evident from my comment that I don't treat the country as a monolith, so I don't really know what you are on about.
The caste system is 100% a major problem facing the country, and low caste people are also being treated as second class citizens, should they separate as well? Clearly that is out of the question.
Caste system should have been abolished when the region gained independence from the Brits.
Me wanting a balkanized India isn't based on that. I don't think you understood when I said the cultural difference and racism faced by a certain region of the country is the main reason why I think it should be balkanized. The entire north east isn't Hindu either. Other than some of them being forced to convert, they aren't part of the religion that practices caste system. Hindus performing caste system in central and north India isn't part of my argument for balkanization.
When you force groups of regions to form a country and treat their citizens as some sort of low lying filth for 70 years then I absolutely believe that you shouldn't be part of that country.
Don't get me wrong, if the Eastern States DID manage to secede from India, I would support that movement to the hilt if it maintained an anti imperialist character.
One option is independence, but then you are out of the fire and into the frying pan. The country will immediately be in debt and forced to take on all kinds of loans from China or the world bank and trade one set of colonizers for another. It is certainly one route, but one that comes with its own set of risks and as we know from the few countries that have remained independent, it is a very tough row to hoe.
Another possibility is to find common cause with Dalits, Naxalites, Kashmiris etc. and fight for regional/indigenous self determination and an end to religious and caste discrimination. I think an approach with a wider more internationalist approach that finds common cause will be ultimately stronger and more difficult to exploit by imperialists.
In the case of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, no. Czechoslovakia splitting did actually help both nations move forward with more autonomy. And Bangladesh splitting from Pakistan did as well.
It really depends on the circumstances within each country tbh
Manchukuo was supposed to be a part of china too, 'Manchuria' with modern borders has never been, nor ever professed to be, an independent state
Not only that, the five colours of the flag (adapted from the republican Five colour flag) is supposed to represent the five major ethnicities of China. The Han, the Manchus, the Mongols, the Hui (Various Muslim ethnicities), and the Tibetans.
It's apparently a bit more complex than that. The current definition is narrower than the one the Nationalists used.
And the Hong Kong flag, what's up with that blue and white? They already have a very recognizable flag, why wouldn't they just use that one?
Why would Manchuria use the flag of Manchukuo, the imperial Japanese puppet state?
Because the author has :brainworms:
We all know that if shit goes loud the shaolin temple will send warrior monks to take over the surrouding territories
Ahahahaha oh my God some of the Chinese text is just the transliteration of the made up English names.
Complete nonsense. This is my favorite map like this because it is the worst one by a lot.
Mfker is bringing back Chinese states in the spring and autumn period (more than 2000 years ago)
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This map destroys the mind of anyone who knows anything about Chinese history
Wtf is "Jingchuria" its called "manchuria" because of the manchus, there are no "jingchus"
楚is the name of a warring state that occupied that area as well so maybe they tried to merge the names awkwardly 🤷♂️
This map destroys the mind of anyone who knows anything about Chinese history
It destroys the mind of anyone who knows anything about the modern state of Indian politics.
India looking more and more like the UK, as every region not hosting a major financial center is making Bangladesh / Pakistan noises.
The frankenstein mandarin-english-german-farsi-latin-turkic place names hurt my eyes
Legit the most brain wormed China take I've seen in awhile. Lol I was gonna say someone tag @badchinatakes on twitter
hoi4 mods and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race
what are those flags
what are those names
what :lenin-confused:
It is the ugliest, most batshit insane etymology I've ever seen
