This is what they have always believed and have never tried to hide it. Libertarians that actually think through their views and continue to be libertarians are vile.
Nozick argues in favor of slavery in Anarchy, State, Utopia and he's considered the father of American libertarianism.
The state is infringing on my right to be forced to sell myself into slavery
Still think that slavery is the purest form of capitalism possible. You get free labor and 100% of the reward, it's literally win-win for the slave owner.
as long as there is a sufficient population of workers
and when fascist states run out they historically steal more rather than let up on labor
Milton Friedman, one of the other libertarians, regularly argued people under a certain income level should have no right to vote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_the_Family,_Private_Property_and_the_State
Don't you think anarchists are against capitalist private security too? Also anarchists don't want to "defund the police", they want to abolish it, and every institution that wants to serve the same function, like private security companies.
Ahh yes all the anarchists protesting at Charlottesville, just "letting it happen"
Absolute:brainworms: take
Everyone in that thread that's defending this goes from "look, we know this isn't popular, but there are ways to solve discrimination without the state" to "they're genetically inferior" in like 3 comments
That's what always amazes me about the net. In person - such people keep up the façade of actually having real human emotions. But online - they're prone to discard their scratchy human suit at the drop of a hat.
I was on the fence about reading the comments but I think I'll pass.
When they talk about solutions and their first point is “Repeal the civil rights act” then you better prepare yourself for them dropping their final solution
I wonder if these are the it’s-not-needed-anymore libertarians or the it-was-never-needed ones
Spoiler: it’s the same person of course
When they drop the mask and the dogwhistles that is definitely cause for alarm.
Libertarians have always called for shit like this; it's not new.
But they often try to bury these parts with general “no tax!” They are just skipping straight to the racism now.
Former lolbertarian here. Opposing the CRA is extremely common in those circles. Of course, they frame it as an issue of big gubbermint forcing poor small business tyrants to serve customers even if they don't want to. Even during that phase of my life, I stayed the hell away from that argument because it was so outlandish.
Shocking that the guy responsible for shit like this was against the CRA.
Oh yeah I remember that lmao. IIRC they hired some white supremacist to run the newsletter so who gives a shit if he personally read every paper he signed his name off on.
It just amazes me that someone who published a paper that gave advice on how to murder black teens, who they referred to as "animals", was basically unscathed.
Anericans should vote for the LP as a joke. The Usa would fall apart in weeks if they won
ACCELERATE
Okay except it wont be fun once some Americans start hunting POC for sport in a few years after
Or when the entire country is overrun by bears after animal control is abolished.
Not the entire country. Parts of it would instead be overrun by aligators, until the gators get overrun by invasive pythons.
We got them in charge under Reagan, and the end result was not collapse. It was simply a pivot from state fascism to federalized fascism
Libertarians in NH are a bit like Secessionists in TX.
They are very loud but also completely removed from the operation of the state. Louisiana is far more in line with libertarian politics than NH aspires to be.
That may be true, but when I worked for the Postal Service, I had the most guns pointed at me when I delivered in New Hampshire
Always fun dropping off issues of Guns & Ammo to a guy with a 3 Percenters, Gadsen and Thin Blue Line flag and then having him point a rifle at you from the doorway because "You don't look like the last guy"
Which would explain why there were so many different guys dropping off mail there
Always fun dropping off issues of Guns & Ammo to a guy with a 3 Percenters, Gadsen and Thin Blue Line flag and then having him point a rifle at you from the doorway because “You don’t look like the last guy”
Sure. But this is half the reason their Libertarian Utopia will never happen. If you've ever been to a meeting of libertarians, you'll quickly discover that they all hate each other at least as much as they hate you.
I know they won't organize on their own, but the next town over has been recruiting for Patriot Front and it won't be long before they decide to abandon any pretense of libertarianism and just go straight fash
Maybe. Or maybe they'll just kinda wither away like the Tea Party crowd and the Ron Paul folks and the Constitution Party dudes before them.
Organizing takes time and energy and money. Doing petty vandalism when your friend is the Sheriff and will turn a blind eye is a bit different than trying to start pirating off the local interstate.
I'm not saying it won't happen, but a lot of these Heated Gamer Moments can flare out in interpersonal squabbles or simply burn out as people find more pressing things to do with their time. The whole reason State Sponsored Terrorism is scary stems from the fact that they'll do the legwork to keep the fire burning when it would normally just gutter out on its own.
You'd think that'd be the case, but our postmaster was an absolute pushover when it came to this sort of thing
He was proud that he got good reviews from Chuds, despite the fact that he had incredibly high turnover from the workers quitting
Eh, I quit that job like two years ago because it wasn't worth it
The hours sucked, I got no benefits because I was only an "Assistant Rural Carrier" and also because I was sick of giving Chuds their mail
genuinely evil people, the fucking most inhumane creatures to ever lurk this earth, I can understand embracing capitalism for personal/ familial profit and putting down others to scale up, that's a bad human behavior, but a human one nonetheless! these fucking freaks do it IDEOLOGICALLY, they won't gain anything from millions of poor kids losing access to education. K*ll every last one of them
We should take all libertarians and give them their own state to see how it works out for them. No outside contact ofc because that'd be government and government bad.
Absolutely do NOT give these people a single inch of free reign. Ancaps are pedophilic sociopaths who would do some of the most heinous shit in human history. These people need to be stomped out of existence like the disgusting bugs they are.
That sort of already happened. They were crushed by the almighty :hexbear-retro:
https://newrepublic.com/article/160018/libertarian-vs-bear
They’d schism in 3 months over whether or not Bitcoin is good because it’s stateless or bad because it’s not backed by gold
Surely the solution would be to start making gold-plated graphics cards
You know why all they want to do is whine? They know that, in spite of how much they hate it, if they took away those small concessions, it would be disastrous.
As a former libertarian, these are unfortunately very standard libertarian positions that you'll see many right-libertarians perform mental gymnastics to defend. Title II and Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 obstructing the ability of private property owners to discriminate against customers and employees are enough for many libertarians to call for repealing the Civil Rights Act outright. Defense of private property rights are always taken to the limit, regardless of the consequences. This is illustrated by libertarianism's most prominent thinkers.
Libertarian icon and economist Murray Rothbard called for the elimination of "the entire 'civil rights' structure" stating that it "tramples on the property rights of every American". Rothbard also advocated overturning the Brown v. Board of Education decision on the grounds that state-mandated integration of schools violated libertarian principles.
Ayn Rand on the Civil Rights Act:
The “civil rights” bill, now under consideration in Congress, is another example of a gross infringement of individual rights.... It has no right to violate the right of private property by forbidding discrimination in privately owned establishments.... Needless to say, if that “civil rights” bill is passed, it will be the worst breach of property rights in the sorry record of American history in respect to that subject. It is an ironic demonstration of the philosophical insanity and the consequently suicidal trend of our age, that the men who need the protection of individual rights most urgently — the Negroes — are now in the vanguard of the destruction of these rights.
According to Jeffrey Miron, libertarian economist at Harvard and Director of Undergraduate Studies of the Economics Department:
[L]ibertarians should not only oppose Title II [of the Civil Rights Act]; they should shout that opposition from the highest roof tops…Title II is a bald-faced assault on a principle that libertarians hold dear: that private property is private.
Milton Friedman shares the typical libertarian stance and libertarian rhetoric on anti-discrimination laws:
But in a society based on free discussion, the appropriate recourse is for me to seek to persuade them that their tastes are bad and that they should change their views and their behavior, not to use coercive power to enforce my tastes and my attitudes on others.
Libertarian economist Walter Block on the Civil Rights Act and anti-discrimination laws:
But all Senator Paul was saying is that while it would be illicit for government to discriminate on the basis of race or sex or any other such criterion, it is a basic element of private-property rights that individuals be free to engage in exactly such preferences. If they were not, an important element of liberty would be lost. It is clear that discrimination on the part of individuals, but of course not the state, is part of our birthright of liberty. If not, coercive bisexuality would be the logical implication of the antidiscrimination movement.
If not, coercive bisexuality would be the logical implication of the antidiscrimination movement.
Lmao holy shit, this take is melting my brain. Libertarians are fucking wild.
Some of Walter Block's greatest hits:
contract, predicated on private property [can] reach to the furthest realms of human interaction, even to voluntary slave contracts.
Otherwise, slavery wasn't so bad. You could pick cotton, sing songs, be fed nice gruel, etc.
Further, there can be no such thing as “involuntary intercourse” for the female slave whose owner is a pimp. In her slave contract, she has already agreed to alienate her body for such sexual services. Yes, it is indeed, and only, rape if her owner does not consent to this sexual intercourse. And, if the woman in question objects, which she has no right to do, ask her if she really wishes she had not made the contract in the first place, and instead allowed her child to die.
Suppose that there is a starvation situation, and the parent of the four year old child (who is not an adult) does not have enough money to keep him alive. A wealthy NAMBLA man offers this parent enough money to keep him and his family alive – if he will consent to his having sex with the child. We assume, further, that this is the only way to preserve the life of this four year old boy. Would it be criminal child abuse for the parent to accept this offer? Not on libertarian grounds. For surely it is better for the child to be a live victim of sexual abuse rather than unsullied and dead. Rather, it is the parent who consents to the death of his child, when he could have kept him alive by such extreme measures, who is the real abuser.
In a question-and-answer session, Block was asked to elaborate on his assertion that the wage disparity between blacks and whites was due to blacks being less productive than whites. In his response, Block said the "politically correct answer is that lower black productivity is due to slavery, Jim Crow legislation, poor treatment of African Americans in terms of schooling, etc. The politically incorrect explanation was supplied by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray in their book The Bell Curve: lower black IQs.”
Walter Block is embarrassingly popular among libertarians. He's one of the most prominent Austrian economists and anarcho-capitalists.
Libertarianism vs Authoritarianism is a meaningless concept Exhibit A
Whenever libertarians bring up rights and freedoms, and curtailing government regulations, it always has an unspoken "so that I can assert my power as a rich, white male and I can own people."
Libertarians say things like "government shouldn't have a say in the market"
"Age of consent laws need to be repealed"
"The Civil Rights act should be repealed"
"Government oversight bodies shouldn't infringe on citizens rights"
"There shouldn't be regulations on business"
